China plans to overwhelm Japanese ships by consistent deployments near Senkakus

Posted on March 7, 2013 by Cherrie Lou Billones in Features, National with 42 Comments
China plans to overwhelm Japanese ships by consistent deployments near Senkakus

After a series of bulletins on ship deployments into the sea, launch of new warships, naval combat exercises and editorials urging the Chinese government to defend the country’s territory unyieldingly, maritime strategy expert at the Newport, Rhode Island U.S. Naval War College James Holmes believes that the goal of China “is to wear out the Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force and the Japan Coast Guard.”

China’s secretive military only opened up last year when the territorial dispute with Japan over the Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands got ugly. Now, the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) is routinely making its presence known around the area. According to political analysts, news about the operations also has domestic propaganda value because it shows that the ruling Communist Party is powerful enough and unwavering in defending what it says to be Chinese territory. However, experts point out the danger of increased deployments, not just by China but also by Japan. The more ships are floating out there in the seas, the bigger the chances that accidents could occur, which could then lead to an even bigger squabble, or even all-out open war.

Nonetheless, a number of foreign and Japanese security experts believe that Japan’s navy and coast guard are still powerful enough to have the upper hand in the disputed waters. This could change though if China continues to intensify its patrols. Yoshihiko Yamada, a maritime policy expert and professor at Tokai University, said, “I believe China for the time being focuses resources on the South China Sea, which is a higher priority for them now. But, if they shift more resources to the East China Sea, the coast guard alone would not be able to handle the situation.”

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  • Jason P

    Occupy the island with a dock, radar and a giant Japanese flag. Nobody owns it until somebody exercises control. Personally, I like Japans idea of placing it on the World Heritage List so nobody can touch it.

    • Truth

      Yes, an obvious solution and one by which the highly reasonable Japan took the moral high ground within the international community yet again.

      Unfortunately, given China refuses to recognize the International Court of Justice, and it’s appalling record of environment and cultural destruction, think Tibetan monasteries, the Chinese whack-jobs are likely to see UNESCO’s World Heritage list as a conspiracy on behalf of the running dogs of capitalism.

      It’s not just the gas reserves China is after, it’s also all of the Japanese fish.

      Can the reasonable Chinese rein in the nationalistic whack-jobs and the eco-disaster crew?

      • Zhijian Xi

        It is sad I see no cooler heads from the Japanese comments:

        “It’s not just the gas reserves China is after, it’s also all of the Japanese fish. Can the reasonable Chinese rein in the nationalistic whack-jobs and the eco-disaster crew?”

        The above can be easily changed to the following from Chinese point of view:

        “It’s not just the gas reserves Japan is after, it’s also all of the Chinese fish. Can the reasonable Japanese rein in the nationalistic whack-jobs?”

        I am sure there were enough reasons the past imperial army has fed to the Japanese public why they went into China during WWII, and was no less convincing why they own Manchuria, Korea and Taiwan.

        Assuming you were right about the “evil Chinese government and it’s bad behavior”, is a war with China what you wanted?

        • Truth

          Let’s talk fish to show how false your argument is, and let’s look at actual visual evidence.

          Early, I linked to an article by Michael Cucek on the subject which contained two NASA photos of the Japanese EEZ and the area of joint fisheries.

          He refers to China’s utter disregard of international agreement yet again.

          In the photo, Japanese fisherman, in an effort to preserve resources, do not use arc lights. However, Chinese vessels use every means possible including the luring the fish with giant arc lights and, by doing so, have depleted the resource in the joint area. Giant Chinese vessels then congregate along the border of the joint area next to Japan’s EEZ, seeking schools of fish swimming in from Japan’s EEZ. Why? Because they have already destroyed their own reserves.

          In effect, there is nothing joint about the joint fisheries area. Japanese fisherman have given up trying to secure their share of the catch.

          http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-H1EecY_7jJc/USMiVJVNuvI/AAAAAAAAEuI/anqWFEaqRMw/s1600/130219nasa_image_east_china_sea_line_joint_fishing_zone.jpg

          I should think that from the Chinese side a war is a great idea. After all, thanks to their aggressive birth control policy, they now have 32 million additional males to get rid of.

          That’s probably a bigger number than all the bullets in Japan.

          I am sorry, according to international law the Senkakus and the surrounding EEZ are Japanese. If China disputes that, its only recourse is to take it to the International Court of Justice, not start wars.

          There’s no point in discussion that particular issue beyond that point.

          • Truth

            You can see the joint area, and the congregation of Chinese vessels at the border of Japan’s EEZ surrounded by orange in this image.

            http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pNVDwBRPxuI/USMgLcM5soI/AAAAAAAAEt8/QlYsb1pRChM/s1600/120219light_illegal_fishing_joint_zone.jpg

          • Zhijian Xi

            I can see it clearly, and agree with you on the congregation of Chinese vessels at the border, however, this does not make Shenkaku Japan’s islands. The fact that China observed the border area shows that China has been respectful of their historical understandings reached by the old generations of leaders, before the Japanese tell the world loadly that “there’s no dispute”.

          • Truth

            It’s legalese. There’s no dispute until China initiates proceedings at the International Court of Justice.

            Meanwhile it’s a good thing for the marine reserves of the region which would otherwise be decimated by the unregulated and unethical Chinese fleet.

            As I wrote at length on another topic, when Japan entered the modern era, it adopted international laws and followed them to the letter, in fact, went beyond what it needs to do in order to claim this terra nullius.

            The best one can say is that, perhaps it is tough on China, that it too had not adopted international laws at that time but that was the time when it should have made its counter claim or objection.

            Unfortunately, ‘first come first served’ is a legal principle too, as the Western powers used widely to their own advantage.

          • Zhijian Xi

            I don’t get this part of the logic which is used by many Japanese commentators (I am Chinese American), the fact that Chinese did bad things (on Fishery in this example) and the fact they are communist does not make Shenkaku Japan’s property.
            I think most Chinese think the best solution is the one proposed by Deng Xiaoping more than 30 years ago, which is to set aside the dispute and leave the decision for future generations of both countries. I don’t know why the Japanese want to tell the Chinese there’s no dispute on the island now, and not following their old generation of leaders to not respond to this issue specificly (thereby leaving it for future generations). After all China has not challenged Japan’s patrol for over 30 years. What does Japan has to gain by Changing the mutual understanding? Is it not Japan who started this round of row?
            I prefer the days when Chinese and Japanese get along in the 80′s and 90′s. The current atmasphere is not healthy for both side.

          • Zhijian Xi

            I am sure you can list millions of reason why Japan own’s the island, and they are favorably viewed by most Japanese.
            Can you think in Chinese’s shoes and they will likely list millions of reasons why China owns the island, and I am sure they are favorably viewed by most Chinese.
            I quote an Australian article, which says in a case of a joint fence, if you neighbor say there’s a dispute, then there’s a dispute. How can you tell your neighbor there’s no dispute? You can tell him you absolutely positively own the fence, and I am sure you neighbor will tell you he absolutely positively own the fence, and hence there’s the dispute.

          • Truth

            Sure, however, in that case and this, if the neighbour has the dispute, it is up for them to take the matter to court, not take the law into their own hands.

            If they take the law into their own hands, the law will punish them.

            The problem is China’s persistent refusal to accept the authority of the International Court of Justice.

            The reason China persistently refuses to accept the authority of the International Court of Justice is that it has too many cases which would go against it that if it opens up the doors to accepting the ICJ (which is starting to do) then it risks losing them.

  • Far East

    Time to shift strategy and move away from a pure defensive one to a more proactive one. Japan should do the Dokdo (aka Takeshima) step, and proactively build a fort on the main island. They have the right since it is Japanese territory, and thus it cannot be seen as a military action. If China reacts by force, it will be an act of aggression that will entitle Japan to react with its superior maritime force, not counting as well with the backing of the U.S 7th fleet.
    And as it was stated already in the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2013 in s1286(3) “while the United States takes no position on the ulti- mate sovereignty of the Senkaku Islands, the United States acknowledges the administration of Japan over the Senkaku Islands;” and in s1286(4) “the unilateral action of a third party will not affect the United States’ acknowledgment of the administration of Japan over the Senkaku Islands;”.

    And of course, China would do well to remember s1286(7) which reiterates that “the United States reaffirms its commitment to the Government of Japan under Article V of the Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security”

    • Hayashi

      Being America’s biggest creditor I’m sure china remembers full well that commitment especially when Uncle Sam shows up at china’s doorstep to borrow more money to fund their efforts. People talk about military might and nationalism, in the end the island goes to whoever has the money.

      • Far East

        As if the U.S. had trouble finding creditor to buy its sovereign bonds. LOL :-)
        Let me correct you on your last sentence: “in the end the island goes to whoever has the mightiest force”, and just so you know, that does not include China.

        • Hayashi

          When I say China is America’s biggest creditor what I mean is that America owes China a lot of money. It also means that if America wants to fight, they need to borrow money to do it. I think in this age, might is money. It’s true China’s army is weak, but economically they supply goods and lend money in critical amounts to developed nations like America. China can begin by cutting off Japanese business, which will hurt both nations but China can afford it, where Japan cannot. Remember the best victory is one without firing a single shot.

          • Far East

            Thanks, but I got you the first time. It’s not because China is the biggest buyer of U.S. treasury that it is the only; an assumption you are trying to make. A lot of nations hold U.S. treasury bonds and a lot of nations are willing. China has just decided to increase its holding of those assets, that’s all.

            For the rest, I need to educate you a bit, because you seem a bit off base. China is in much more need of other nation’s Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) than you seem to believe. China must absolutely sustain growth to avert increasing and so far uncontrollable inflation, which in turn would increase political instability in a nation already plagued with high GINI coefficient (disparity of wealth among Chinese is extremely high and evaluated by Chinese University of Chengdu at 0.6), very high corruption index, and very little brand made by Chinese domestic companies. By domestic companies, I am referring to the ones created by Chinese at home, and not subsidiary of foreign companies. And this is where the rub is. The trade volume is extremely inflated and subjective for the following reasons:

            1) Not same comparable
            The China Ministry of Commerce has admitted publicly that China is NOT the new No1. It says it still trailed the US by US$15.6 billion last year under World Trade Organisation standards for valuing goods. And where it gets really interesting is when you look under the hood of that trade volume.
            http://www.scmp.com/business/china-business/article/1154042/china-says-no-status-worlds-biggest-trader

            2) Tax related transaction with HK increases the figure artificially
            China’s import and export numbers are heavily distorted by domestic companies fiddling their taxes.
            Under mainland regulations, exporters of electronic gadgets and other widgetry can claim a value-added tax rebate worth 17% of the goods’ value.
            What’s more, under the Closer Economic Partnership Arrangement, no tariffs are charged on goods imported into the mainland from Hong Kong, provided the importer claims a relatively small component of value was added in the city.
            As a result, mainland companies ship huge quantities of goods to Hong Kong, where their value is marked up by around 20 per cent before they are re-imported back into the mainland.
            http://www.scmp.com/business/article/1149696/claims-china-worlds-no-1-trading-economy-are-nonsense

            3) Lots of goods produced by China based U.S. companies
            I recommend you check this U.S. government report:
            How much of Chinese exports is really made in China? Assessing foreign and domestic value-added in gross exports
            http://www.usitc.gov/publications/332/working_papers/ec200803b_revised.pdf

            4) Does not include service
            “New figures show that America’s imports and exports of goods amounted to $3.82 trillion in 2012, compared with China’s $3.87 trillion (see chart). These figures count only trade in objects (ingenious or mundane). If services are added, America retains its lead for the moment. Tax dodges may also inflate China’s numbers, but its trade networks are spreading.”
            http://www.economist.com/news/china/21571948-trade-world

            So, in fact, the Chinese economy is based heavily on FDI, has little domestic brands known outside unlike Japan in the 70s and 80s. It has a very high inflation, and low GDP growth that is closer to 5% since GDP growth rate is known to be correlated to electricity consumption growth rate and it officially stands at 5.5%.

            Bottom line? Without foreign economy, China is dead in the water.

            Furthermore, it is estimated that over 10 million jobs in China depends on Japan FDI, which is the #1 investor in China.

            And to prove the correlation, while from 2011 December to 2012 December Japan FDI into China has grown substantially (probably over 5%), it fell so much due to the organized riots in September 2012 against Japanese assets in China, that as of December 2012 the year-on-year FDI fell 7.3%!!

            You say Japan needs China more than the other way around? Let’s look at Japan quickly. It has a sluggish economy since 1991, and even though enjoyed a positive current account balance until recently. SOmething that needs to be understood is the gigantic financial wealth owned by Japanese individuals: $15,000 billion (yes, $15 trillion) and that excludes real-estate by definition.

            On the military level? Japan with its maritime fleet alone, without the help of the U.S. has for now an overwhelming power and experience. But since there is the mutual defense treaty between Japan and the U.S. China would need to account for the U.S. 7th fleet. In short, on the military level, China lose all possible scenario.

            That’s the ugly truth. Certainly not the propaganda they tell you in China though, but all I have stated is verifiable.

          • Hayashi

            Wow, I really appreciate the information. At first glance I think I stand corrected. I will take time to go through the rest. Again it’s refreshing to be able to really discuss issues without just name calling and petty bickering.
            The information looks really really interesting. Thanks Far East!

          • Far East

            Well, it is my job to know all this. And I spend a lot of time researching too. A lot of countries try to paint a prettier picture than the reality actually is. Modern nations have to abide by high standard to attract FDI, so it is harder for them to make things look good. A good example is Abenomics (Abe’s economics) trying to do the usual Keynesian’s trick of mass investment to boost the economy. Investors enjoy the ride, but no one is fooled and know that Japan will have to do structural change to make the rebound sustainable. China is a little bit in the same corner, where it has reached a point where it needs to do structural change to continue to grow and to politically survive. Ironically, those inevitable structural change will induce a change of regime along the way. The good question is when.

          • Hayashi

            About abenomics, that I am we’ll aware, I have a friend at Harvard that talks to me about it (not that being from Harvard makes him an expert, but he offers a different perspective ) I think I understand well Japan, but I don’t understand well nor do I have as much information about China. Also that South Morning China post is really great, it explains the situation well for me.

          • Far East

            The thing about Economics is that some people think you can put it in a mathematical formula, kind of C + G + I + (X – M) = Y, but in reality the economy is based on people, and the simple fact is that Japan society needs to change, but like in all change management situation, people are resistant (see Gleicher formula on this principle), and there is a lack of political will to do so in Japan. This country is divided between the old and the new Japan. I personally believe that change will be possible when the balance between the old and the new Japan will be in favor of the new. This means there are quite a few ‘Oyaji’ (old mindset Japanese) that I refer to as the ‘Oyaji Firewall’ that need to go. Now those guys are the guys who were 4s in the 80s and they stil believe that by continuing what they were doing back then, things will improve by themselves.

            They are wrong, the world has change, and Japan needs to evolve with it.

            Abe has the ‘structural’ change as part of his ’3 arrows’ strategy, and I hope this include pushing the corporate world to move from hard cash to soft cash and from seniority to competence based in order to foster innovation and sustainable development driven by people rather by those almighty Sogoshosha (wholesalers)

          • Hayashi

            I love it, “Oyaji firewall”, my father is rolling his eyes! I enjoy learning about this sort of thing because I don’t feel confident about the future here. I know about everything you said, I see it everyday and I feel it, and it makes me feel that Japan is in decline, I want to see it turn around but from where I am today I don’t feel so confident about it, if you live in Japan maybe you know what I mean. This is on a very street level, the way people think, the things they say, their reaction to global news, maybe it’s just because I live in the country, but its a strong feeling I have. After all , Oyaji is a majority demographic.

          • Far East

            It came up one night while I was discussing with friends at home, and I kept using it ever since :-)
            I live in Japan too and discuss a lot with Japanese.
            Things will need to get worse before they will get better, and this is basically the mechanics of change. Japan has lots of great qualities, but 2 of those qualities are preventing from moving on, and they are 1) strong culture 2) wealthy Japanese. Why is that a problem? The stronger the culture and the harder it is to change, and with so many wealthy Japanese, they do not feel the urge to change. So to change Japan, there needs to be some kind of lever. It could be the decline in Oyaji. It could be the surge of women especially since it is the fastest growing consumer group, or it could be the collapse of Chinese economy (likely to happen), because of the unsustainable bubble they have. Since China represent 30% of all Japan export, and Japan is a nation whose economy heavily relies on export, when China economy collapse, it is likely that Japan unemployment rate currently at 4.2% will rise at above 8%. That will most certainly be a strong lever for change.

            So it is a necessity that things gets worse so they can improve after. Those improvement must include changing Japanese society, but the Japanese way, not by opening immigration or letting foreign investment take over Japanese economy. Instead, Japan needs to move to a competence and responsibility based system that award risk taking and ideas in order to foster innovation like the stem cells discovery of Shinya Yamanaka. So, the big Sogoshosha who control every step of the supply chain need to change their business model.

          • Truth

            “Without foreign investment, China is dead in the water.”

            Just to flag up this post again for Chinditone again and add my thanks but also to add one small correction. It would not be China or the Communist Party elite who would die, they will remain in comfort and a number flee overseas with their hidden wealth, it would be the people of China who would die and suffer in their millions.

            The People’s Liberation Army should be named the People’s Enslavement Army.

            Who do you think Chinditone is?

            I doubt they are an ordinary Chinese person, as none would have access to a website discussion like this. The The Chindits were a British “Special Forces” unit who fought against the Japanese in WWII.

          • Tom

            Without China trading, Japan trading will be in red and downturn. Without the extreme right Japanese thought, Asia will be much peaceful. The disaster made by the imperial Japanese army in WWII need to be alert.

          • Truth

            The Communist Party must be feeding you drugs if you believe that.

            Tell “peaceful” to the 70 million Mao killed, the 10s of 1,00s in illegal detention centers, the millions in slave labor camps, the women suffering forced abortions and sterilization, the Tibetans, the Uighurs and so on.

            And you think Japanese society is evil or “extreme right”.

            Have you ever been to Japan?

            You have not a clue what you are talking about.

            http://hrichina.org/

          • Tom

            You must be anti-communtist and extreme right thought in your writing. You are not able to see the fact with this mind. Where do you get the figures 70 millions killed? Do you know how many killed by Japan army in WWII?

          • Truth

            Not at all. Human rights are a very left wing principle.

            To paraphrase Gandhi, “What do I think of Communist China? I think it would be a very good idea”.

            China stopped being communist a long time ago; if, indeed, it ever made it to communism. Mao’s betrayals of the ethical minorities, the recent violent suppression of worker movements, the human rights abuses and virtual slavery … it’s more akin to a kind of elite fascism and fuelled by an explosion of capitalist dynamics now.

            Where does the 70 million figure come from?

            I’ll give you one example, Changchun in 1948 when Mao ordered the Manchurian city to be starved into submission. Over five months 330,000 Chinese people died. More than the highest estimates for the widest area around Nanjing.

            WWII is long over. Let’s talk about what is happening today and what we can stop from happening tomorrow.

            Look at the difference between Chinese society and Japanese society, tell me which is the most civilized and where is the most preferable place to live, and explain why.

          • Tom

            Your thought is still under extreme right thinking. No wonder you said to forget WWII. In fact it is not over as Japan is heading to this direction. There are still a group of JP thinking the glory of Japan army. It need to be stopped. Don’t forget the mass killin in Nanking in WWII is over half a million and you must learn from the history and how can you say it is over. Even Japan is still deny this. Shame to JP.

          • Truth

            Oh my goodness, the number has been exaggerated yet again. You must be Chinese.

            Japan is a very middle of the road country. It is difficult to even say that the people are conservative, but the LDP is. Not “far right” never mind “extreme right”. And we have the Americans, not the Japanese people, to thank for the LDP.

            Actually, Japan has a communalistic tendency and its own Communist Party. The Americans put the LDP in place because it was afraid of Japan’s left leaning tendencies.

            It also has liberals, socialists, democrats, environmentalists, and the strongest pacifist movement in the world. We call them ‘Article 9-ers’. The teachers union is notoriously left wing and strongly influence children’s development.

            Your views are exaggerated myths based on no direct experience, no study or knowledge, and decades of racist propaganda. Racist propaganda which was primarily intended to excuse American Imperialism within the region.

            A drunk or drug addict would make more sense of reality. In short, your mind is poisoned and I suggest going cold turkey on such views, come to Japan to experience the reality and study it. You might learn something.

            Japan renounced belligerence more than 70 years ago and returned to its true nature of the safest and a far more harmonious society than most.

            You would be more noble to consider the lives that can be saved today and tomorrow that whatever lives were lost 70 odd years ago, like, for example, all the millions of baby girls the Chinese Communist Party murders every year.

          • Tom

            You must be extreme right Japanese. Denly the truth and you just like a liar giving false statement. That is the key reason why Japan gets such poor relationship with neighbour. Not even China, also Korea, Russia and Taiwan. It is time all the neighbour country to stand against the extreme right Japan. It must be stopped. Your mind is only dreaming the gloroy of Japan army and it is passed and never will happen. Even US is also aware its aggression and try to stary away with it. Shame on you.

          • Truth

            Not at all … Unless you define “right wing” as meaning ‘those who wish to follow international law and resolve issue peacefully; and “left wing” as ‘those ignore international law and use threats, violence and war instead’.

            The Japanese understanding of left wing politics is that they are pacifist and pro-human rights.

            Where does China stand on International Law and Human Rights?

            Please try and get that through your thick skull, and never accuse me or Japan with your racist nonsense ever again.

            Taiwan is actually very close to Japan and very grateful for its support and recognition. The USA has confirmed its treaty with Japan. There are no problems with Russia worth mentioning. All around the world, Japanese have a very good reputation and the standard of living in Japan is amongst the highest. Unlike China it is considered a very safe and civilized nation where crime is exceptionally low, people do not spit and blow their noses in the street and they do not kill millions of babies just because they are female nor carry out the genocides of ethnical minorities.

            The only people making trouble are the Korea nationalists but even they do not represent the Korean people as a whole and are thought of as idiotic for their extreme actions.

          • Tom

            You must learn history again. Extreme right wing is going to imperial JP right wing direction. No own thought but only aggression. WWII is a good example for imperial JP army. You must be brainwash by those people. No wonder Korea and China get together agains JP.

          • Truth

            I don’t need Communist Party styled forced re-education, thank you. We have proper education now.

            You must be child using numerous accounts on this website. Now stop all your nastiness.

          • Whirled Peas

            And you Tom must learn that it is never good to exaggerate because it makes a mockery of a serious event. Next year you will claim the Japanese killed 20 million in Nanking and in five years the figure will be 1.3 billion. The Japanese don’t deny Nanking. They object to the ever-spiraling numbers China uses for propaganda purposes and to China’s tactic of pointing a finger to Japan’s past (for which it has apologized) to divert attention from China’s own internal problems or to get sympathy points. Meanwhile China loses credibility among those who seek truth from fact.

            World War II was over 68 years ago. Japan has critically examined its past with regard to its role in modern day wars, and has sincerely apologized. But far more importantly, since WWII (68 years ago) Japan has transformed itself into a peace-loving and peace-promoting nation, which has extended a great deal of good will and assistance to its Asian neighbors and others. For instance, Japan has played a major role in helping China to modernize. It also has submitted itself to the rule of international law. Does China recognize this and tell its citizens or does it hide that fact under the rug so it can continue to spew garbage about how Japan has never made up for its past.

            All this talk about Japan’s past does not alter the fact that Japan acquired the Senkaku islands legally according to the rules of international law.

          • ff529592

            please die thx

          • Whirled Peas

            Double wow. I thank you for putting together all this information as well. WP

          • Far East

            Thanks. This article from Reuters gives an interesting perspective on the problem China faces as a result of their bullying policy in South East Asia and East Asia with Japan:
            http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/23/us-japan-china-firms-idUSBRE89M1GS20121023

          • Whirled Peas

            Hello FE: Good article. It provides figures on how much China would lose economically if Japan were to pull out some of their businesses due to rising costs and anti-Japanese sentiment. But what are your thoughts about other countries moving into the vacuum. Can they make up for loss of business from Japan?

          • Far East

            That’s a good question and I don’t think it can be easily compensated. The U.S. and Japan are some of the top economy in the world with massive investment power. Maybe Europe could fill the gap left, but they are in dire situation (almost 12% unemployment in average in EU) and if anything they will invest in more urgent activities rather than expanding abroad in China. Aside EU, I don’t think there is a countr today that could compensate.

          • Whirled Peas

            Thanks! WP

          • Jerry

            Kill the IMF, the central bankers, and tell the UN to get fucked. America is no longer in debt.

    • ff959529

      go die please

  • poor-china

    Well, feeling bad for China. It is all ignorant China. That’s why a country with 1.3 BILLION people but still do cheap labor for US and western countries.