Government-run Chinese newspaper warns of military fray with Japan over Senkaku

Posted on January 11, 2013 by Cherrie Lou Billones in National with 66 Comments
Government-run Chinese newspaper warns of military fray with Japan over Senkaku

The Chinese government-run Global Times has warned of a potential clash between the military arms of Japan and China as the tension increases between the two countries in their territorial dispute over the Senkaku Islands. This came a day after Chinese jets entered into Japan’s air defense identification zone on the sea, north of the islands, prompting Japanese F-15 fighter jets to take off from their Naha base in Okinawa Prefecture and check the area.

The paper’s editorial said that the military clash is highly probable and that the citizens need to prepare for the worst. It proceeds to state that the Chinese people are waiting on their government to take concrete actions “against Japan’s provocations”, pertaining to Japan’s dispatch of jets over an area near the Senkaku Islands, which China refers to as Diaoyu.

Chinese administration official Liu Caigui was quoted by the official Xinhua News Agency to have said that China will continue to be firm in its opposition of infringement committed by its neighboring countries as to territories that China claims to be hers. According to him, “Faced with a sharper and more complicated situation, we will take more responsibilities to steadfastly maintain the country’s maritime rights and interests.”

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  • Far East

    Ever more Chinese Government delusion…. Really pathetic.
    They have been searching for an excuse since the beginning, and if it had not been for the self-restraint of the Japanese Government, there would have already had a military clash.
    So the Chinese infringe repeatidely on Japanese territory, the Japanese, of course, moderately defend themselves by sending patrol and telling them clamly to leave the territory, and then the Chinese Government seems to seize this opportunity as an excuse to send their military.
    What is likely to happen is that Japan AND U.S. 7th fleet will react and protect the area, and China will be defeated.
    I think it is about time that this bully nation that misbehave throughout the Asia Pacific rim with other neighbours like South Korea, Vietnam, The Philippines, get a good lessons, and they will. They are asking for it too.

    • western

      Will see how tough the Japs.

  • greedychina

    China is like “thief shouts stop thief”. Always good at bullying small guys.

    However if Japan can strengthen its military to be the balancing factor, then Japan is more than welcomed by small countries in the pacific to fight against China to protect their sovereignty.

    China should be aware of that. China should better abandon its greedy intrigue.

    • kkkids

      Do you really figure out the situation? To most Chinese, what matters most is not the dispute of islands but the hatred of all the devil things Japanese have done to them in the World War Two! Maybe you Japanese will never know the feelings when hearing the ADW on every December 13th in NanJing which mourning the poor victims in that horrible slaughter. And the all the demostrations in China are not only inflamed by your purchase but also a breakout of anger which has been oppressed over almost a century.
      And at last I really worry about your historical knowledges. Throughout the history, China never had any attempt to expand its territory or offence any coutry’s sovereighty. And that’s why ancient Korea became one of tributary states of China in Ming Dynasty, however, a colony of Japan in World War Two. Moreover, your greedy invasion of China wasn’t first seen in the World War Two but in the Ming Dynasty. You should also make a clear picture that Diao Yu Islands were being part of Chinese territories until Japan took control of the islands through aggression in World War Two, which Americans tactically consent to.

      Of course , wars do no sense to both coutries, especially economics gloom these days. Before you do something for granted ,without any sense of shame, you had better ponder over whether there are any true benefits coming in succession to all of us.

      • Far East

        Senkaku islands were never part of China. That’s the point precisely. You can repeat that many times, but it will never become true. Those islands were nowhere on the Qing, and let alone on the Ming territorial maps. Wake up.

        As for the atrocities of the Japanese during the 2nd World War, they were indeed terrible, and Japan has repented. I do not know 1 single Japanese who do not resent the behavior of the then Imperial army.

        But hang on, do you also condemn the million Chinese butchered during the cultural revolution, and what about the so called ‘Great Leap Forward’ ? Don’t you feel sentiment of hatred to your own Government for having massacred so many Chinese ?

        If you want to be taken seriously, you need to show you are considering facts objectively.

        The reason why Chinese Government has ZERO credibility in the world, is that it keeps cherry picking piece of history that supports its delusional claims, and denies any truth that other can say if it does not support their stance. Like I said : Zero credibility.

        • kkkids

          It seems you are so fascinated with the hypothetical slaughter which you are informed by your government ,to us Chinese , with zero credibility. Your value seems that it alleviates your guilt by convincing yourselves with nonexistent slaughter conducted by Chinese government. Despite of my view that you have no obligations to interfere in national affairs of other countries , which your curiosity and naivety have pushed you to do that, I have the responsibility to correct your wrong perception. It’s true that the Great Culture Revolution persecuted people through mental torture more than physical torment and Great Leap Forward is really absurd, however, none of them have anything to do with what you call a slaughter. And Chinese government took the consequent responsibilities and switched its policy that makes great changes take place in China with each passing day. Compared with your government’s shameless action of distorting the history in World War Two in textbooks and worshipping at the Yasukuni Shrine ,which are strongly protested by China and Korea , Chinese government makes the Great Culture Revolution and Great Leap Forward recorded in textbooks and made into movies ,encouraging Chinese to reflect on history. And your government is also the first one to make full use of your women to support your military aggression by forcing them into prostitution. Many Chinese girls including the sister of my friend’s grandmother was killed by Japanese soldier and suffered unhuman maltreat before their death . Many Chinese captures were reduced to white mice of your vicious bacterial test. Sounds of weeping from ghosts in the NJ slaughter haunter on the bank of Yangtze River everyday. And what they deserve is a formal apology and compensation from your government who has done nothing but to weasel out and cause more tension between the two countries. It’s poor for you to credit all the faults to Chinese government and neglect the truth the tensive situation today is caused by the all the evil things you did yesterday which results in the hatred penetrating under Chinese people’s skin. You say it’s a dispute of territory, we say it’s ethnic conflicts and a matter of defending our dignity.
          And let’s back to the topic, that Diao Yu Islands belong to China was precisely recorded in the book called 《筹海图编》，editted by Hu Zongxian,the provincial commander-in-chief of Zhejiang province in Ming Dynasty ,and these islands are near the border between China and it’s tributary Ryukyuan Kingdom which then became Okinawa by your invasion in World War Two. And the islands were also the territory of Qing Dynasty , in the waters off which Chinese fishing boats fished.
          And actually you got the first hand information of these islands from 《中山传信录》, writen by Xu Baoguang in Qing Dynasty, traslated into Japanese later.

          • Far East

            I see you are one of those Chinese paid by your government to survey the Internet and spread your propaganda…. Pathetic

            I know it might be a shock to you, but your Chinese Government has murdered millions of people. Since you have internet connectivity to site most Chinese don’t, I invite you to check Wikipedia here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward

            By the way, because I have a balanced view at this Sino-Japanese problem does not mean I am Japanese, so you can spit your hateful rant about Japan and its history to someone else. It is a bit pitiful that you have no other argument though.

            Talking of which, let me brief you a bit about history :

            The Chinese are trying to refer to some historical documents that mention those islands as a marker in their route to the Ryukyu (Okinawa, part of Japan), but emissary from China at the time used that route only 23 times during 507 years while the Ryukyu people went to China using their route 580 times from 1372 to 1879.[3]

            Professor Masao Shimojo, Ph.D. from Kokugakuin University, is making the case backed with evidence[4] that “it was after the Qing Dynasty establishment of the province of Taiwan that Taiwan became part of Chinese territory. In the Map of the Great Ming (Foreigners Section) compiled by the government in 1461 during the Ming Dynasty, the Penghutao (Pescadores) Islands, located between Fuchien Province and Taiwan, are a possession of the Ryukyus.”[5]

            And also that there is “the Map of the Great Qing, geographical recognition that Jilongshan and Jilong Castle mark the northern boundary of Taiwan, and the Senkaku islands are nowhere on the map as a territory of Taiwan.”[6]

            The fact is that it was Terra Nullius (no man’s land) until 1885 (before Sino-Japanese war[7]) when Japan decided to conduct research in order to integrate them to its territory.

            Those are the historical facts. You or Chinese Government can try to distort them, but they will remain hard facts. As I was mentioning, if Chinese Government is so sure, they can always challenge Japan at the ICJ ;-)

            Cheers,

            [1] http://www.unescap.org/
            [2] http://www.wilsoncenter.org/sites/default/files/Asia_petroleum.pdf
            [3] http://youtu.be/9ke7SCAz3bM?t=4m48s
            [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PRCmap-senkakuislands.jpg
            [5] http://www.sdh-fact.com/CL02_1/87_S4.pdf
            [6] http://www.sdh-fact.com/CL02_1/87_S4.pdf
            [7] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Sino-Japanese_War

          • kkkids

            Thank u for your information . I have neither benefits from the government nor internet connectivity to site most Chinese don’t(I almost burst into laughters by your imagination). Everyone in China can get access to this website, as long as he can get on the Internet. All the comments I made are common views among Chinese. Though we sometimes make complaints about our government, Chinese and their government have reached the high agreement of attitude to Japan this time. You worry that I will be shocked by what they call the truth, but I worry that you are confused by the media . There is more freedom for speech in China today. Even Mao, the respected leader is criticised today. Chinese won’t allow themselves too blunt to get any truth. I get real anger that some foreign media spread propaganda of China threat theory and describ us as uncicilized and warlike people, while there are no malicious schemes brewed at all. And I also want to propose two questions : Does Japan have enough grounds to prove that the islands belong to them? Does Japan also have enough grounds to prove that they own Okinawa with no invasions? If people have reasons to take belief in theory of China threat, we could also have reasons to anxious about the revival of Japanese militarism. You wonder why I have mentioned the crimes Japan did in China, because you have no sense of the hurt committed by Japan during the war, and hatred is the power for Chinese to support the hardening attitude to Japan. We are alert to those evil crimes through the narratives of our grandmothers 、 grandfathers and others who survive that terrible war. And that’s why some Chinese failed to control their rage during the demonstration.
            No matter what goes on then, China won’t be the first to shot a fire, which is also an agreement reached by all the Chinese. And actually, wars do no good to any one.

          • Far East

            Most Chinese people do not speak English. Only wealthy people do, or the Hong Kong Chinese do, and I know for a fact that they do not side at all with mainland China policies.
            You mention about your grand mother memories of atrocities of war, and I sympathize. Can you fathom that Japan today, 67 years are WWII has NOTHING to do with the Japan your communist totalitarian country keeps spreading its propaganda to its people and on the Net thanks to you ?
            This is a deceitful tactic to attempt to paint Japan with a negative image, but you and your Government is obviously not understanding that Japan has built its trustworthiness with the rest of the world in the past 67 years. People love Japan for its love for peace, prosperity and wealth because it is where it is very strong. Did you know there are over US$17 trillion of financial assets owned by Japanese individuals ? Can you imagine how long it would take for China to reach , proportionally, the same scale ??
            China has much more to gain politically in making claims to land it does not own, from an energy perspective as well. This also helps its Government to distract the anger of its people toward the Government. 
            Bottom line you seriously need to consider is that China has very limited credibility. All the propaganda spit by Xinhua government news agency makes me think of your friend State North  Korea.
            My only hope is for the truly Great China to be liberated from its corrupted totalitarian Chinese Government and become a free market respected worldwide. Your country still have a very long way to go, and the path go through a revolution first.  Think about all that and reply carefully.

          • kkkids

            I value your respect of democracy and freedom. If a person want to make objective evaluations of the others, he should know their pasts. Of course you don’t have a clear idea about the past of China and the long-term tension between the two countries. Before China was exposed to the western system by the war with British , she had been a feudal empire for thousand years. The western civilization brought us scienctific knowledge and democratism, however culture invasion also. The great changes wildered Chinese , they lost their worship due to the abolition of Feudal monarchy. Even today people are talking about the possibility of Constitutional Monarchy which we missed in old days. However we all consider it a matter of rejoicing to have the regime regulated by Chinese ,not foreignors. Westerners are warm-hearted and they always try to make everyone in the world appreciate their value and imitate their institution which they regard as absolutely right while having no idea about the problem whether the political system which they allege that is characterized with absolute democracy is suitable for every country in the world. We welcome the democracy with restraint ,and that’s what we are pursuing for. You should be aware that any good vision could result in riot (like the riot in the anti-Japan protests which was totully organized by Chinese citizens ) Your political system is great but it may not suit for us. And I am astonished that people on the net often compare Chinese with North Korea which nation always confuses us too. And I have to emphasize it again that I haven’t gotten any benefits from the government and I am not a wealthy man living in the upper class in my country . I am a student who have great preferences for US and British TV series , Euro-American Pop Musics ,and Japanese anime(That I like Natsume’s Book of Friends will never lead to the affection for Japanese ). And the reason why the economic development in Japan had been soaring since the their lose in World War Two is that they got the help from their American brothers. On the contrary, Chinese promote the economic development with their own effort.
            And I still stick to the idea that Diao Yu islands belong to China ,no matter how many times you repeat that it’s not ture. If you get any political sense and look at the map which shows that there’s little distance among the Chinese mainland ,Taiwan and Diao Yu islands , you can figure out that these small islands may boast not only abundance of resources, but also geographical advantage to monitor China. The true deep worry in every Chinese heart is the revival of Japanese militarism which made our motherland humiliated in some dehumanising ways in the World War Two.

          • Far East

            When you write “We welcome the democracy with restraint”, do you include in that statement labor camp without due trial ? Do you include forced organ donation ? Do you include no liberty to express once opinion underlined recently with tis journal tainted by Chinese Government control ? Do you also include lack of religious liberty, including interference by the Chinese Government in the choice by the Pope of its Bishops ? Your definition of democracy has too much restraints, and is in fact no democracy at all. Your perceived corruption index[1] is skyrocketing ranking 80[2], close to Greece and India. Your GINI coefficient reflecting the disparity in the revenue is also betraying a very bad situation with a level estimated at above 0.6[3], where anything above 0.5 is dangerously close to triggering social unrest.

            I think the sovereign Chinese people will be much better off without this rogue so called ‘communist’ Chinese Government, and when they will be able to have a true democracy reflecting really their aspiration and taking advantage of the many talents of the Chinese people !

            Regarding historical proof of Senkaku islands, obviously you have not taken the time to check the links I referred you in my previous post, so I invite you again to check this one map :
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PRCmap-senkakuislands.jpg
            This is a map published by communist China in 1969 showing clearly the Senkaku as part of Japan !
            NOTE: Top line of map:
            Chinese Simplified hanzi characters 尖 阁 群 岛 = Jiāngé Qúndǎo
            Similar to the Japanese name in kanji characters 尖 閣 群 島 = Senkaku Guntō

            Japan prosperity is due to after WWII high growth that the world enjoyed. Everybody knows that and so should you. Beyond its prosperity it gained its love by foreign countries for its refinement, its focus on peace, its sensibility, its attention to high quality products, the value of the promise Japanese people make and therefore their overall reliability.

            Yes, you understand correctly, the Japanese people is a peaceful nation loved and respected for its way of life.

            However, I agree it does have to deal properly with issues of its past, and China and South Korea should stop taking advantage of it by playing domestic politics with it.

            You talk about fear of Japan becoming like it was ? Then fear not, it is not the case, and cannot be the case, unless you want to delude yourself in believing it. I am MUCH MORE concerned about the increased aggressiveness of China and its weaponry, including notorious lack of transparency, and its well known support for rogue nations like Iran and North Korea.

            The Senkaku do belong to Japan. I understand it is a hard fact for you to accept given that your Government has a biased interest to seize those islands and the natural gas and oil there is under, but it is also a fact that China NEVER made any claim until 1971, date at which there was a report from the UN commission on the Far East revealing the vast potential resources under that Japanese territory.

            Now, as I said, if Chinese Government is so sure of their claim, why do not they bring the proceedings to the UN International Court of Justice ? Right ? Yes, I thought so too. They don’t, because they simply know they would not stand a chance….. Point made.

            [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index
            [2] http://cpi.transparency.org/cpi2012/results/
            [3] http://www.chinaworker.info/en/content/news/1915/

          • shanghainoon

            well, if you are really thinking the distance plays a big role to determine the territory of a country then clearly China has contradicted by herself: Senkaku is considered of China for that reason but how can China or particularly yourself says about Scarborough or Spartly? it is thousand miles away from China while only few hundred miles or even less to Philippines.

          • Whirled Peas

            kkkids: I agree with you that going to war makes no sense for either country. I also applaud your assertion that China will never be the first to shoot, and I certainly hope that you are right. But in my opinion, it’s not enough for China to pledge it won’t commit a “first strike,” it should avoid provoking other countries into using force to protect themselves from a perceived threat from China. If you ever observe a group of children playing in the park you’ll sometimes see a kid who will mercilessly taunt, tease, threaten and dare others to the point some other kid punches him in the nose in exasperation. That first punch then gives the bratty kid an “excuse” to engage in a fight and blame the other for starting the fight. Or in some cases the kid will immediately go crying to the teacher that someone is picking on him, in order to gain sympathy and to get others into trouble. In the realm of international politics, China is playing a dangerous game when it repeatedly crosses another country’s waters or airspace, Japan has absolutely no desire to get into a confrontation with China and has used great restraint and I hope they continue to do so. But China should stop the provocation and escalation before something bad happens unintentionally. And please don’t label me anti-China due to my opinion, nor barrage me with more talk of atrocities during WW II by Imperial Japan. I’m aware of all that and I am sympathetic. I have taken a strong interest in the welfare and success of China for decades, but this recent behavior vis a vis the Diaoyu/Senkaku islands and the escalation of anti-Japanese propaganda (and resurrection of old hatreds from WWII) is unbecoming to a country that is destined to be a world power. I think MTT would roll over in his grave.

          • kkkids

            Before Chinese government take action , people in China mainland , Taiwan, Hongkong have voluntarily launched the campaign of protecting DiaoYu Islands since 1968. Chinese are glad to see that the government put the affair on the agenda instead of making pale denoucement. If you accuse Chinese government of anti-Japanese propaganda which even doesn’t exist , then I am afraid that you are questioning the depth of anti-Japanese emotion which has never faded away ,even during the honeymoon after the establishment of Sino-japanese friendly diplomatic relations. And all the anti-Japan demonstrations are organized spontaneously by Chinese citizens. You are astounded that China is playing a dangerous game ,we are resentful that Japan is playing vicious game by interfering the Taiwan affairs and stretch their hands to the territory which isn’t belong to them like Okinawa. They give us a cold shoulder and brush our protest against their visit to Yasukuni Shrine aside. They chanllege the bottom line of all the Chinese by uncovering the scars . Most of Chinese are cultivated in agriculture civilization, which decides their character and attitude to life: Chinese are always content with things as they are. Throughout the history ,we never had any aggressive mind ,leading us to invade the territory of other nations or offence the sovereignty of others.
            None of Chinese would like to be involved in wars unless their territory and dignity were offenced again.
            And we still adhere to these doctrines today.
            Both countries have tried to cool the affairs with negotiation, but it’s failed after the new policy conducted by Japan’s new prime minister.

          • Whirled Peas

            Hello kkkids: You say “we [China] are resentful that Japan is playing vicious game by interfering the Taiwan affairs and stretch their hands to the territory which isn’t
            belong to them like Okinawa.”

            What do you mean by “Japan is interfering in Taiwan’s affairs.” Actually there were two articles in the People’s Daily in the 1950′s which indicated that the CPC understood that the Senkakus were part of the Ryukyu, not Taiwan. And they used the term Senkakus. You may think those articles don’t count because they are not “official,” but in those days the CPC had iron-fisted control over what appeared in the People’s Daily, so that tells me that even the CPC wasn’t thinking of the islands as being part of Taiwan in those days.. That was not the party line at the time. it was only in 1968 that the Tiaoyu Tai movement activists (In the US it was spearheaded by Hong Kong students sympathetic to China) started talking about the islands being part of Taiwan and having been “exclusively used by Chinese before and after WWII” — which is patently inaccurate since the islands were NOT taken from Taiwan or China as spoils of war and since the Koga family from Japan ran a business for 50 years on the islands (1895 till the 1940′s), paid taxes to Japan, had a couple hundred employees on the islands,, and were owners of the islands until recently. Moreover, the US administered the islands from 1945 tilll the early 1970′s and even used them for artillery practice.

            And regarding Okinawa, I say let the Okinawans decide their own fate — whether to be independent or not. They do not need exported revolution from another country.. It never works anyway.

            Finally, I think we agree that military confrontation is not the answer. War is a total waste of resources that could be used for real human needs. I’m an American. Every time the US goes to war, our infrastructure suffers, the quality of our schools goes down, and old leaders use nationalism and appeals to pride to convince our young people to die “for the cause.” Let’s pray together for peace!

          • kkkids

            What you mentioned about is just the tip of the iceberg. Besides the fact that the two ancient works , 《筹海图编》 and 《中山传信录》, referred to the islands as inalienable part of China with no doubt, which I have written in the former comment, the islands were also marked as the territory of China in the maps published in Japan ,with the border of Ryukyu Kingdom clearly shown in 1783 and 1785. And in the Song Dynasty, both ,Diaoyu Islands and Taiwan were under military jurisdiction of Penghu and administrative jurisdiction of Quanzhou in Fujian Province. Qing government was forced to sign the Treaty of Shimonoseki where Taiwan and Diaoyu Islands were ceded to Japan as the sequence of the defeat in the Sino-Japanese War. America permitted Japan to own the administrative jurisdiction , however, left the sovereignty disputable after the Second World War. And then the Koga family bought the development rights from Japanese government.
            Japan has been devoted to the not only the dispute of the islands but also the propaganda of China threat theory with its surplus energy. A former Japanese general of the marine self-defence force alleged that Taiwan should amplify capability of performing a modern war , especially in the waters and air , to restrain China, which seems that Japan is willing to be involved in Taiwan affairs.
            Of course , war is the worst thing we can imagine, and the catastrophe it brings on will make large impact on not only Southeast Asia but also the rest of the world in an era of weapons of mass destruction.
            In the end , many disagreements as we have, your views really inspire me a lot. Unlike Japanese who display great initiative in expressing their views and have strong desire to show their culture , Chinese are more reserved and conservative. We often keep silence instead to clarify true stories, which results in misunderstanding. The past few years witness the efforts we have made and the prosperity we have harvested, and we are not living a life repressed by dictatorial government and suffering a lot because of our political system like some countries in middle east and Asia, which is described by some imaginative people. And I never regard it a piece of cake for a political party to turn a undeveloped country with large population to the world’s second- largest economy. Yes ,we have a long way to go ,as some serious problems are emerging these years. And I hope that the new leadership will handle them well. I am glad to learn that you are American. Most of my friends are quite interested in your culture, and in great favor of wonderful your TV series. One of my friends will go to America for her graduate course in the year. I hope I will also get a chance to learn your culture in details some day. I would like welcome you to China as well if you wanted to witness the great changes taking place in the ancient oriental country.

          • Whirled Peas

            @ kkkids. You say “Unlike Japanese who display great initiative in expressing their views
            and have strong desire to show their culture , Chinese are more reserved
            and conservative. We often keep silence instead to clarify true
            stories, which results in misunderstanding. ”

            Well, China couldn’t have had a socialist revolution if it were true that its citizens were “reserved and conservative and silent.” At the risk of stereotyping, I think the Chinese are actually much much more outspoken and direct than Japanese. Mao did a lot to encourage people not to be silent nor “liberal.” Have you read “On Combatting Liberalism?”

            And you are probably too young to have personally experienced the Cultural Revolution, but to my knowledge China is the only country in which direct and unfettered personal opinions were so forcefully expressed in public by ordinary people (mainly to expose capitalist-roaders and criticize right and left deviationists). China invented the big-character posters (simplified Chinese: 大字报; traditional Chinese: 大字報; pinyin: dàzìbào and many Chinese people continue to carry that direct, and (no offense) rather harsh 1970′s polemical style. My personal experiences indicate that modern-day Chinese take a whole lot of initiative to express their views. You’ll find many Chinese people on the Internet from the PRC or from overseas who stand ready with their search engines to seek out and polemicize against every “incorrect opinion” about China and to “clarify true stories” as you put it.

            Okay, you’d better get back to your studies. They are very important. One of these days I will travel to China. I want to see those clay soldiers in X’ian and sample the noodles from many provinces.

          • kkids

            I find that many foreigners are prone to characterize China with the Great Culture Revolution which is a serious mistake triggered by sticking in wrong dectrines fabricated by some political speculators who were led by the “Gang of four” . Because of the spousal relationship between Mao and his wife , Jiang qing , one of the member in the “Gang of four”, the former leader is criticized by some Chinese today. Deng Xiao ping who latter proposed the Reform and Open Policy, was also oppressed in those days. And you are totally wrong to see the big-character posters which were used to spread the incorrect doctrines in the revolution as some kind of way for Chinese to express themselves. Obviously, the message delivered by the big-character posters didn’t express people’s true thoughts, and none of Chinese would like to make them understood by such stupid way. The government has admitted the serious fault it made in the revolution which hindered the development. It’s also really pathetic for you to claim that you are aware of our culture and history, for you turn a blind eye to what was going on after the Reform and Open Policy. From your comments ,I can make the conclusion that China is still the country in 1950s or 1960s. Why I think Chinese are not good at expressing themselves is a view formed by reading the Chrysanthemun and the Sword. Japanese are likely to write books to introduce them to the world which Chinese are not likely to do so. They are proud of their culture and history,and they have a great passion to share something about that with foreigners. However Chinese devote less passion to expose others to their history and culture, which let foreigners to relate Chinese with some monotonous culture icons ,like Peking opera, Chinese arobatics, cheongsam, Great Wall and etc. Do you have any idea that tea ceremony is originated from China which is quite different with the one in Japan, and 心学 created by Wang Shouren is also a
            great philosophy, like Confucianism which had great impact on Chinese history. Cheongsam is not traditional Chinese costume , because it is combined with western elements. Taoism is the authentically local religion in China , which is less prevalent than Buddhism today. The studies of Chinese ancient civilization are obsessing more and more Chinese today and it’s great for people to pick up what they lost in the culture invasion during the war.
            And you guys have the common hobbies to put all the socialist countries together and make some fierce comments about them. Well, China is not the same as the other socialist countries which can be shown by Chinese economic system which is both a little bit socialistic and a little bit capitalistic. We are also confused how to define that , so we add “with Chinese characteristics ” following the word “socialism”. I know the fact that different politic systems whatever like will make you sick , for them challenge your value. It’s boring. From my point of view, no one have the right to depreciate some nation ,since their institutions and values are different. There are also no rights for any one to interfere in the affairs of other countries. Well, I see that Mr. Political Interest won’t agree on my words.
            I hope you won’t be bothered by my deep addiction to Chinese culture. Though my friends told me to stop conversations with you, for they all hold the view that it’s a dialogue between chicken and duck (It’a Chinese preverb,and it’s easy to be understand~) I couldn’t help typing and typing again to clear up some misunderstandings.( Maybe you still believe there’s no misunderstandings at all.)
            After all, some tips for your travel~ Xi’an is a beautiful ancient city which used to be the capital of twelve dynasties, and noodles there are really delicious . Visiting the Longmen Grottoes and Shaolin Temple in Henan province which is near Xi’an is also a good choice. Mausoleums and ancient architectures are marvelous in Beijing and Nanjing (If you want to learn something about the point of our view in the Second World War, you can visit the memorial hall for the Nanjing Massacre which is free.) Suzhou gardens represented by Zhuozheng Garden are delicate. Given it’s still very cold , climbing famous mountains like Mount Hua, Mount Huang , Mount Tai and etc. may not be a good option. At last , wish u a good time in China .

          • pete

            Hey, Kkids,
            is this your full time job? China really is a sick county. They can have so many people to create garbage on internet every day.
            a whole group of sick people.

          • Whirled Peas

            Thanks for the travel tips.

            Of course I know tea ceremony originated in China and I know Zen originated as Chan and I know the Japanese adopted Chinese characters. Are you worried that China isn’t getting credit for its contributions? Fear not because there are plenty of museums and libraries and quality educational tv programs around the world that explain many things about Chinese culture. And there are plenty of universities with courses on China taught by Chinese people or progressive foreigners who love and respect China. China does not have to defensive nor protective about it’s contributions to the world. There is no need to prove that this or that originated in China.

            To clarify, I do not equate today’s China with that of the cultural revolution, I am aware of the Gang of Four and the damage they did, and that China has moved forward from that period. But I thought (perhaps I misunderstood) that you were saying that in comparison to the Japanese the Chinese do not put forth their ideas, and this honestly puzzled me. My response was that a socialist revolution could not have been possible without a great deal of exchange of ideas put forth with vigor. And I gave the example of the cultural revolution and the big character posters as a uniquely Chinese phenomenon, which could not have been possible if Chinese were incapable of expressing themselves. Whether the CR was Gang of Four led or coerced by the CCP is not the point. A whole lot of Chinese leaders and cadre were undeniably caught up in it, and the style of communication was forthright and filled with fervor. My only point was/is to say that I don’t see the modern Chinese as a shy and retiring and overly-modest, wimpy folk. But I think after all this typing, you were not talking about the quality of expressiveness at all and I’ve wasted a lot of words. I think you were merely saying that the Chinese have not promoted themselves to the world, and I’ve addressed that in the first paragraph. No need to respond. You need to study, I need to work. Thanks again for the travel ideas. WP

          • Whirled Peas

            Oh, and I forgot to add, thank you for all the examples of what you have learned about ancient Chinese culture. It is very interesting information. I did not know the cheongsam was not traditionally Chinese. And finally, if our exchange is like that of a chicken talking to a duck, I get dibs on being the duck! :-)

          • kkkids

            You misunderstand again … chicken can’t have a deep coversation with a duck because they don’t have the same language which is used to describ two people can’t understand each other deeply for some reasons… It’s an old saying, and nothing else… Mr. duck…

          • Whirled Peas

            I misunderstood nothing. Just an attempt at a bit of levity.

          • Whirled Peas

            I mean, I did not misunderstand the Quote. Some people joke that if true communication takes place it is purely by accident. The norm is to misunderstand what the other is saying, even if you’re from the same culture/language!

          • kkkids

            Thank you for your explanation. Though we hold some different opinions, I consider you a nice person who respect others’ culture and listen to others and explain to others patiently. ^-^ (That’s ture. It’s my real thought.)

          • Far East

            Can you please stop the bullshit and your propaganda ? You write :
            “Throughout the history ,we never had any aggressive mind ,leading us to invade the territory of other nations or offence the sovereignty of others.
            None of Chinese would like to be involved in wars unless their territory and dignity were offenced again.
            And we still adhere to these doctrines today.”
            Everybody knows China is a bullying nation, and has aggressive stance toward its neighbours like Vietnam, South Korea, The Philippines and Japan. I mean seriously, get real….

          • kkkids

            AND a few more words I want to tell u poor man . I am not wealthy ! I am not hongkongese! I am a student in Chinese mainland! It’s really boring for you to study this. Your weird opinion really compel me to wonder whether you are born in the wrong age. Hey ! Wwwwwwwwwwake Uuuuuuuuuuuuup Uncle F, it’s a new era!

          • Far East

            You have too much hatred, and I cannot blame you. Your government is brainwashing you. Your media are censored. Your access to Internet is restricted and monitored.

            You are bashing out to Japan, but you do not know Japan at all. For example, while Chinese Government maintain and even nurture, in a very partisan way with strong political hidden agenda, the hatred of Chinese people toward the idea of a foregone Japan, in Japan, people celebrated Chines New Year, peacefully. No Chinese business or people are hurt, etc, etc. There is a strong respect of the Japanese people toward all Asian nations. Sure, they resent all the propaganda and machiavelism of Chinese Government toward Japan, but Japanese people is a peace-loving nation. In sincerely invite you to make use of critical thinking and do some genuine research. If you value peace as much as you pretend, you will understand that mutual understanding of countries is the only path to sustainable peace. Propaganda is its worst enemy.

            Personally, I know Chinese history and culture, and love the many qualities of the Chinese people and culture and history, but all that is being hampered by a corrupt government trying successfully to deceive its people in making them believe that the enemy is somewhere else than in Beijing ! Please, think about that.

          • kkkids

            It’s ridiculous! You say “If you value peace as much as you pretend, you will understand that mutual understanding of countries is the only path to sustainable peace” Who want a war?! And what’s the point of Abe’s taking office who said:” There’s no way to negotiation.” and persisted in playing hard with China. The new prime minister’s father is a nice man, while his grandpa is a Class A war criminal in the WW Two who had a grudge after the release from the prison. Do you think it’s all Chinese faults to cause such tension between two countries? Their denail of crimes commited in old days and their hawkish attitudes to China are the main reasons why we have no affections of Japan. You say that you know our history. Then, please tell me Uncle F: Should I turn a smily face to a country which has offenced our borders , landed our territory and bully the local folks since Ming Dynasty? No matter you believe that or not, I am telling you the truth. And it’s also true that Japanese are work harder than us and that they know the art of courtesy. If there’s no gloomy history between our two countries or if they had made a formal apology for their faults in the war , the tension might be reduced. And you really get a wrong view that : Chinese are deluded to believe the enemy is somewhere else than Bj. Most of Chinese have high respect of the developed countries, and they are really curious about the course of these countries’ struggle. The documentary called “The rise of the great nations” which depicte some great powers’ success including Japan in an objective way was produced by our national broadcast and it was on CCTV in 2006. You talk about corruption which is really a big problem today. That problem is really a fatal crisis in almost all the dynasties in my country. And I harbour the confidence of the government now! Don’t mingle us with North Korea again. What’s going on there is really like what’s going on in the old days in China. But I think I have no rights to say wether they are on a right road or not. Every nation has its rights to choose the road and the way she walks. Let time to be the judge. Moreover,Pardon for my poor English, I think I haven’t make my view utterly understood by you .
            it’s necessary to clear my stance that I do have no affection to Japanese, but I won’t spit on all of them except of the members of the Right, like Abe and Pete (it seems no more conscience in their value)
            , who I do resent.

          • Far East

            You talk about Japanese denial of their war crimes, but your claim is just incorrect. Japan has repeatedly recognized the wrong it has done in its past, but Chinese Government keeps rubbing them into it. You do not believe me ? Read below then :

            Extract from the Japan Ministry Of Foreign Affairs :

            “The Government of Japan believes that it cannot be denied that following the entrance of the Japanese Army into Nanjing in 1937, the killing of a large number of noncombatants, looting and other acts occurred.
            Japan candidly acknowledges that during a certain period in its history, Japan, through its colonial rule and aggression, caused tremendous damage and suffering to the people of many countries, particularly to those of Asian nations, and holds a firm resolve to never repeat war again and to advance the path of a peaceful nation with feelings of deep remorse and heartfelt apology always engraved in mind.”
            http://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/q_a/faq16.html#q8

            You ask me : “Should I turn a smily face to a country which has offenced our borders , landed our territory and bully the local folks since Ming Dynasty?”

            To which I reply that the past is the past, and you should expect Asian country to have resentment toward China since Chinese Government is so hard at letting bygones be bygones and looking at the future. They are the ones who keep bringing up the past. Tell me, do you think Mongolia, The Philippines, Vietnam, hell, even Korea should remember the past when China controlled them ??

            Japan is living in piece now, and it’s only problem today is dealing with China who is pretending to be aggressed, but actually is the aggressor trying to grab land that it does not own, but tries VERY HARD to pretend it owned it.

            You talk about right wing in Japan, but what about China ?

            Recently, Chinese Army like Major General Jin Yinan, the director of China’s National Defense Strategy Institute, went on a state-owned radio program and declared that the Senkakus AND all of Okinawa be “returned” to China. He argued that the Japanese “occupation” of Okinawa was illegal and that the islands should become a Chinese vassal state : http://www.japanprobe.com/2012/07/21/poll-90-of-chinese-support-military

            More recently again Liu Weiming of China’s foreign ministry “warned Japan that provocative actions in the way it handles the Chinese civilians sailing to the islands could lead to a full-scale conflict.” (http://goldsea.com/Text/index.php?id=13433)

            And then on August 25th, Deputy Chief of General Staff of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army Cai Yingting said during meetings with senior U.S. military and government officials in Washington, he had conveyed to his U.S. colleagues China’s strong opposition to the application of the US-Japan security treaty to the Senkaku Islands.

            You see, in your own country you have a BIG issue of increased power of military, and more and more your country looks like pre-WWII Imperial Japan….. That’s just sad. Like I said completely delusional.

          • kkkids

            You are stuck in the theory of China threat again. 囧 We are neither interested in making others’ territory to be colonies nor bullying the weak. Mongolia used to be part of Chinese territory for thousand years . And the two nations were related by marriage in the Royal Families and tributary system in the ages that Mongolia separated from China. And Chinese had paid little attention to the Philippines until the
            group of ships led by Zheng He passed by the island country. The Philippines paid tribute to the emperor of Ming Dynasty ,but it didin’t in the tributary system formally. Vietnam had been the province in China before the general Wuquan who was appointed by the Song government(the government of Song Dynasty) to inhibit the riots in the area declared independence of the land by claiming throne. Korea had a long-term relationship in the tributary system. China had no force garrisoned in the country and no interference in Korea’s sovereignty. On the contrary, China must assist Korea whenever she was threatened by invasions from other countries. The wars as I known China joined to defend the country were the battles with Japan in Ming Dynasty and Qing Dynasty. Control is not a proper word to be used in the tibutary system. Countries in the tributary system are like allies to China, except that the countries in the system should pay tributes to China . Japan may be respected by Asians for their high technology and powerfulness, but no nation bullied by the superpower will admire their ill morality in the war. People in Southern Korea also spit a lot on Abe’s visit to the Yasukuni war shrine where lots of class A war criminals are worshipped. Japan made verbal declaration of their regret, while deny the devilry their army put on comfort women in both Korea and China by sneezing at the lawsuit and compensation demanded by these old victims. Don’t try to zipper my mouth by telling me that all the things I said are fabricated by the government, because all I said above are true . And the two nations really made hard efforts to bring the relationship to go back to the normal ways after the war,and China even gave up the right to ask the compensation of the invasion, contrast to Abe’s ask for the compensation of the parade. In China, Japan is still being compared with German on the aspect of their regret in the war.Resentments originated from no reasons do not exist. The war forms a crack in the relationship between two nations, while the crack is coming into a gap by their indifferent attitudes. It’s easy for the oral slogan that let’s put the past aside, it’s hard to establish any trust in two nations. The hawk can be seen in the political circle in every country. The interview with Major General Jin Yinan is not even on the headlines in China. If you still stick to the idea that Chinese government has the vicious attempt to spread propagandas , they really miss a good opportunity to make the piece of news exposed to every Chinese. To pick such hearsay which is not consistent with the proposal from the Chinese government is tactic for the website you recommand me. Compared to a major general in China, Abe is the Prime Minister of Japan, and it’s more possible for a hawkish Prime Minister to have his words realized than a major general.
            I know you will want to debate with me again. Let’s hang on this, because I am really really tired. Thank you for your patience to share your opinions with me.Though, you may think it’s hypocritical for me to say so(And please don’t allege that I am paid by my government again.I see that you are good at making cold jokes.It’s just about politeness. = =\ ) And there’s really some misunderstandings. Annnnnnnnnnd there’s also a book that I recommand you : Henry Kissinger On China. Well, I am reading the book, The Chrysanthemum and the Sword, now. Maybe both of us will learn something from them.

          • Far East

            You write :

            “We are neither interested in making others’ territory to be colonies nor bullying the weak.”

            Maybe you should tell that to Vietnam, The Philippines, Brumei, Malaysia, etc.

            The foreign secretary of Philippines, Alberto del Rosario has implored the neighboring nations and global powers to take a unified stand against Chinese aggression while Philippines President Aquino said “China is practically claiming the whole body of water” talking about the South China Sea and of which the Paracels, Spratly Islands, Scarborough Shoal and other areas. ALso China incursion on the Panatag Shoal betray its imperialistic attitude in the region.

            You seem really ignorant of what is going on.

            You talk about Mongolia being part of China, and what about Genghis Khan and Kublai Khan area ? You should admit it was the other way around. Mongolia owned most of China then. So please, do not pick piece of history that just suit your version of it. Trying to change history is typical behavior of this corrupt communist Chinese Government.

            Then you write :

            “China even gave up the right to ask the compensation of the invasion”

            I think you must be kidding right ?

            Japan was forced, and I think it was fair, to abandon all all assets belonging to Japanese citizens in China and of course paid compensation.

            Maybe yo uphold read this to educate yourself more objectively !

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes#Compensation

            You should really take a step back from all the lies your Government is telling you. It is hampering on your objectivity and therefore on your capacity to make proper judgment and decision.

            You write :

            “it’s hard to establish any trust in two nations”

            Yes, I agree especially when your government is filling its people with lies about how bad is Japan constantly recalling the past, because it has been 67 years that Japan is just completely different. The only bad Chinese Government can use is the past. If you could only open your eyes a little bit, you would realize that the Japanese people is a nation of peace loving people. But I realize you are too blinded by your hatred to see that.

            You also write :

            “it’s more possible for a hawkish Prime Minister to have his words realized than a major general. ”

            No, not in China where it is a known fact of the too big importance of the military over the power, which is why many people in Governments all over the world are really concerned. And the General I refereed to, Major General Jin Yinan, the director of China’s National Defense Strategy Institute, is not any General, he is the top one ! He is know to be a hawk and happy-trigger military nationalist (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/29/jin-yinan-chinese-general-youtube_n_940092.html and here http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/9692e93a-d3b5-11e1-b554-00144feabdc0.html)

            Zhou Yongsheng, professor at China Foreign Affairs University, warns against such tactics saying “Using the Ryukyu sovereignty issue to resolve the Diaoyu dispute would destroy the basis of China-Japan relations,” Mr Zhou says. “If this was considered, it would basically be the prelude to military action.”. And I think we all see where China is unilaterally heading….

            Chinese have this saying 和为贵 which means “peace is the most precious”. Maybe it is time your Chinese Government starts respecting this saying.

            Wether you are a student like you pretend of a paid agent by the Chinese Government like it is known to be thousands of them scouting the web, it does not matter. You should face the fact and understand that the hawkish unilateral stance of your Government is going to lead to war and it will be China’s fault. Everybody knows Japan has more to lose from war than China. Trying to spread Chinese Government propaganda is really a waste of your time.

          • kkkids

            Hey,Just read this :http://www.unsustainable.org/index.asp?type=article&contentID=20 No more explanation except that you are sooooooooooooo suspicious, and we are not enemies.(Maybe it my own wishful thought…)

          • Far East

            Maybe you should document yourself better rather than referring to some trashy website looking for sensational. Your website states $1 billion Japan provided while the true number is closer to $3 billion.

            You don’t believe me, then check reputable source of information here :

            http://www.mofa.go.jp/j_info/japan/opinion/umezu.html

            “It has been repeatedly asserted by several reporters and critics that Japan has neither sincerely apologized for its wartime actions nor offered any substantial reparations or compensation. In fact, Japan has clearly and repeatedly expressed its sincere remorse and apologies, and has dealt sincerely with reparation issues.

            　These apologies were irrefutably expressed, in particular in Prime Minister Tomiichi Murayama’s official statement in 1995, which was based on a cabinet decision and which has subsequently been upheld by successive prime ministers, including Prime Minister Yoshiro Mori. Mr. Murayama said that Japan “through its colonial rule and aggression, caused tremendous damage and suffering to the people of many countries, particularly to those of Asian nations. In the hope that no such mistake be made in the future, I regard, in a spirit of humility, these irrefutable facts of history, and express here once again my feelings of deep remorse and state my heartfelt apology.”

            　With regard to reparations and compensation arising from events related to the war, Japan has dealt with these issues through the San Francisco Peace Treaty and other bilateral treaties. As far as Japan’s relationship with the relevant countries is concerned, the issue of reparations has already been legally resolved. In accordance with these treaties, Japan renounced its assets abroad – estimated to have totalled $2.8 billion at the end of the war – leaving them in the hands of the countries concerned. Furthermore, Japan provided nearly 946 billion yen to a number of Asian countries, including the Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore and the Republic of Korea, in reparations and other payments. The majority of these payments were made during the 1950s and 1960s, the monies offered being the most Japan could afford, given the economic and financial constraints of the day.”
            (source: Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Japan)

            or here too with the links Whirled Peas has provided previously :

            http://www.jiyuushikan.org/e/reparations.html

            and here

            http://www.cc.kyoto-su.ac.jp/project/orc/econ-public/china/documents/WUDP28.pdf

            and then check the official site of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Japan which answers you insinuation about Japan and Germany :

            “Compared to Germany, are the measures taken by Japan on issues concerning its past insufficient?”

            http://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/q_a/faq16.html#q10

            I mean seriously, your lame attempts to drag Japan in the mud are really lame. You should focus more on all the horrors your corrupt Government of which you seem so proud of is doing to its own people !

          • shanghainoon

            you are speaking the truth. I am quite agreed with your view.

          • Jing Mei

            You should wake up to this new era!!!

          • shanghainoon

            Through out the history, Vietnamese people has never been lived in peace next to the big China. Yes it is right for thousand of years China has never stopped its attempting to conquer Vietnam. To survive in that such stressful and tough condition Vietnam has proven its strength and talent in defense. If you believed China had never attacked or invaded its neighbors in its 5000yrs history then I would suggest you to go back to your school finished you assignment or whatever the teachers gave out rather than wandering in internet to debate on something which you didn’t know.

          • Jing Mei

            Don’t be arrogant as your government does. You’re so much of history that led you think that chinese existed before your neighbors did. And because of this idea, you believe that you were the first to navigate on those disputed islands. Do you really believe that you were the first human in asia that there no human from your neighboring countries fishing on those disputed oil-rich island?

          • shanghainoon

            “China won’t be the first to shot a fire”, your comment possibly true in this situation where China must fight with a little man but has strong will to defend and they were warriors. I am talking about Japan. If it wasn’t Japan or Korea as these got the support from the US I would say China would be the first one to shoot to its small neighbors, e.g. Vietnam, Philippines, Laos, Malaysia, Brunei.
            I am sure China has learned well the history of war between the two nations. China will never be that silly to start its first shot.

          • Whirled Peas

            Thanks for the YouTube link. Whoever put that together is quite a patient researcher. WP

          • Jing Mei

            Let’s be realistic greedy chinese. Your government is double-face hungry greedy animal. It’s like a donkey on the side telling lies after lies while the other face is showing a monster animal ready to devour what ever it wants to bite just to satisfy it’s greedy and arrogant behavior. If you believe in history as your basis of taking or claiming the whole south china sea and east china sea, then china should belong to mongolia.

          • kkkids

            It will be your turn to criticize Chinese as greedy , for your country was awfully greedy in the begining of last century. Will you turn back the minerals your armies stolen from Taiwanese. ( I don’t want to offence you. But my friend in Taiwan ask me to add this.) Don’t reply to me. Because I don’t want to read any words of nonsense typied from a naive person. Good night~ Have a nice dream~ O(∩_∩)O

          • Jing Mei

            Don’t you think claiming the whole south china sea is not greediness? Or probably your government is just crazy? You might claim the moon too since you were the first human to see the moon and celebrate the moon festival. Well I love moon cake my mom is good in making it.

          • Far East

            LOL ! :-)

          • Guest

            hahahaha, this guy sounds like Disgusted who participated in Global Times China.

          • shanghainoon

            “Chinese government makes the Great Culture Revolution and Great Leap
            Forward recorded in textbooks and made into movies ,encouraging Chinese
            to reflect on history”.

            Sorry, but I must brief you that the purpose of that movement is clearly not about the truth but to give its people a delusion that the current CN Gov is changed. This is for sure giving some credits to the government otherwise Chinese may stand up…

      • beowulf20

        kkkids

        Of course you also forgot a part of the history in China where millions got directly/indirectly killed by their own Communist Government during “The Great Leap Forward.” Both Nanking massacre and the Great Leap Forward are atrocious acts none the less. As long as the PRC government now can direct the attention of them the better it is so they won’t have any of their citizens question their authority.

        If we are on the table for claiming lands that belonged to past ancestors, then a chunk of China belongs to Mongolia for rightful ancestral conquering. This historical claiming is silly unless it pertains to this and one generation past.

        • Gregory

          beowulf20,
          the US also had a hand in the disastrous famine during the great leap forward through its food/trade embargo against China from 1949-1969. Let’s not forget that.

          The PRC consists of other ethnic tribes beyond the Hans, such as mongolians. Why is it silly for parts of mongolian lands to be part of the PRC? Look at the Europe, Americas, Australia and NZ. Aren’t there other races too besides the true natives? What’s your fucking point?

          The Chinese experience with the Japanese during WWII is personal. The level of antipathy that dark period of history stirs up is no less than the antipathy a Jew would feel towards the Nazis. You’re not doing any Chinese person, especially those that suffered terribly at the hands of Japanese invaders, any justice by comparing their suffering with Mao’s stupidity. Chinese people are vengeful. It’s part of our cultural DNA. Revenge for the Chinese can take hundreds or thousands of years. Don’t think you westerners aren’t going to get your comeuppance some day.

      • Jing Mei

        If china is responsible country then i believe you will be a respected superpower in near future but what you are showing to the world right now is like a hungry monster, too greedy even killing your neighbor if necessary just to feed your people. Respect your neighbor so that you will be respected too.

      • shanghainoon

        And what day the Chinese people should be mourning for their poor victim of Mao who has massed killed more than 20million (this is the official figure from CN gov, some other sources was saying approx 50 mil) during his power? May be Chinese people will never have that day. LOL

  • Julian

    This is crazy. For a start, why is the media talking up a fight. It is the last thing anyone wants or needs. It looks good in a book and that’s all. Shinzo Abe has been fairly cautious here to not stir up trouble, only respond when trouble presents itself. With the documents presented last week (Japan times) it clearly states that China itself referred to the islands in official literature as the Senkakus, dating from 1959 or so, what they are doing now doesn’t fit history and doesn’t fit reality.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NV25ZPWMBDYFXEYR3AWQ43ZS5E Hein S

    Chinese Navy will last a few days.

    • Guest

      few days? by reading the battle between China & Japan in 1894 I would not bet that far…

  • pete

    kkkids,

    How much Chinese Gov pay you every message you put on internet?

    Anyway, you do have your freeden of speach anywhere in the world except inside of China.

    That was not my point, my point is that you have to learn history base on you can search all information related. As you never had chance to look into fact at all, you just do what you were told my sick chinese teach and gov, you are just do what you are paid to do.

    For you, or all of chinese, I have a question:

    why Japanese did so different between take over Shanghai and Nanjing?

    I knew that 100% of chinese won’t answer this question, because they neve asked them self.

    Yes, you can ask you leader to set-up a team to answer this.

    • kkkids

      The tension between our two countries is truly caused by the satisfaction some members of Right, like you, get from your villainy and your denial to all the cruel things. It may dispoint you that I am not pasid by the government. But I am sure that you are paid by some fascists. I am also sure you would like to take the knife and join the force and have some fun in some slaughters if you were in the Second World War. In the point of your view , Japanese armies also had some picky appetites in choosing which city to masscre. How nasty your hobbies are! Why should I talk to a beast who alleviate his guilt by masscre? I should really stop the conversation which degrade myself.

      • pete

        kkkids,

        you can sure nothing!. You just another sick chinese has taken money from gov of china for sending message to internet.

        You don’t even know what chinese like, a true, real chinese, because you never were told what a true chinese like. Did your father or graderfather fight with Japanese in WW2? Any good fighter still live in china?

        Anyway, why did you can’t answer my questions? I suggested you that ask your leader to set-up a team to answer my question.
        Oh, I fogort that chinese never asked why, they just do what been told to do

        • kkkids

          Actually I am not interested in answering your question at all. I will answer you if you want the truth. The armies of Japan have a tough war with KMT in Shanghai which ended in defeat with high mortality. The experience of defeat and the death of soldiers put Japanese armies in a violent rage to commit a revenge in the battle in Nanjing which was the capital of China in those days. I got the piece of news is from Taiwanese. And I respect the huge efforts KMT made and also their bravo in the war. And I am afraid the truth do no help to your plan of insulting Chinese. I learn that you maybe an American soldier’s grandson. Yeah, we can’t deny the quality of all the Japanese, there must be some Schindlers in them in the war.(I visited an old Chinese lady engaged to a Japanese soldier, but they were separated at the end of the war. )I should declare my point that I have no affections to Japanese, but I won’t spit all of them except for the Right. Are you clear? You make yourself like a member of the Right and say ill and nasty words of the nation who you haven’t learn them by face to face,which I really want to ask : how much are you paid by the Rihgt? To some extent,you win ,for you really get me seriously angry, and force me to type with no patience any more. Just stop ! Your extremely exclusion will never let us work out!

          • pete

            So, you and your chinese gov can’t answer those questions. You people just want get few dollars from your gov, that’s all.

            You never asked why, never tryed to find truth, only thing you want is a little bit money.

            I wish you will get angry. I maybe wrong, when your gov took kids away from you, you don’t angry, How can you get angry by some one know chinese won’t even try to fight?

  • kkkids

    From all the comments ,I see YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT CHINA AND CHINESE! I haven’t surplus energy and time to argue about some stupid problems like you . I am tired ,and I also need to focus on my study. You must be very pround to seize such a good chance of deprecating a Chinese girl and Chinese government .You must also have a lot of fun in calumniate her as a writer purchased by the government . You really smash my illusion that we can have some friendly chat . You really cater to my curiosty of the views from foreigners in some cruel way. You are holly ! You are great ! And you will never allow yourselves to tolerate the people or nation that have differences with you. You lab diversities as paganism. And how childish I am ! I should never get the rights to accuse you of narrow mind!
    Thank you for all of your comments!

    • peter kho

      Far East gave you a valid and well supported argument, where was yours?

    • shanghainoon

      Take it easy, don’t you have anything else to prove your points rather than threw out your hatred to other guy?

      So you can’t come up with any evident to prove yourself and you still believe Senkaku is China. It must be sad to say that you have brainwashed and it is not possible to get fix.

  • american123

    it’s really sad that some pro-chinese nationalist posters here have no awareness of the millions killed in the cultural revolution. of course, the atrocities committed by japan were also awful, but to have no awareness or simply deny what happened in the cultural revolution out of nationalistic fervor is either pathetic or sad

    they’ve been brainwashed today to hate japan, when the people oppressing and profiting off them through corruption today are within the chinese government

  • Whirled Peas

    For those who say Japan is not sorry and has done nothing to make up for its wars in Asia over 65 years ago, I invite you to peruse two sources on Japanese war reparations and ODA – development assistance to affected countries:

    Japan’s Record on War Reparations by Hikaru Noguchi
    http://www.jiyuushikan.org/e/reparations.html

    Research on Japan’s ODA to China and it’s Contributions by Zhigang Wu
    Liaoning University of Technology

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cc.kyoto-su.ac.jp%2Fproject%2Forc%2Fecon-public%2Fchina%2Fdocuments%2FWUDP28.pdf&ei=4cv1UO7CB6zTigK-lYHgCw&usg=AFQjCNEoKyMTfpGFtusR-If1oC6oQRFglg&sig2=vOqktuDAgTQgvzv8QyIYuQ&bvm=bv.41018144,d.cGE

    I urge folks to read the above links. One is a rather lengthy PDF that describes Japan’s contribution to China’s economy written by a Chinese professor, which you can download and read at leisure. To summarize, Japan has conscientiously paid substantial reparations to countries that were victims of Imperial Japan’s aggression. And Japan has made special efforts to help the countries that refused or waived war reparations (like China), through development grants of money, low-cost loans, and perhaps most importantly with training programs and technical know how, that you can not even put a price on! Japan more than any other country has shared technology, technical skills, and even trade secrets with its neighbors, and has helped pay for infrastructures like bridges and sewers, factories, etc. In short, Japan has indeed make great effort to help its neighbors get back on their feet after what Imperial Japan did during the war.

    Therefore, it must be quite demoralizing for Japan to be told after all their sincere good will and sharing of resources that “you haven’t done anything to make up for your past.” That is so off the wall! I don’t know if this cruel statement is said out of honest ignorance of history, pure malice, or a desire to gain political “victim’s leverage “– thinking they have the right to say “Japan you’d better let us have our way, or it proves you aren’t sorry for what you did in WWII.” This is a smarmy and unprincipled approach. and I think the Japanese feel they are not in a position or are too polite to put up an open challenge to that kind of dishonest rhetoric.

    To repeat: Japan is sorry for the past. And it has not only apologized publicly 38 times, but more importantly it has apologized via its many decades of good will toward its neighbors and its assistance in the form of outright money, loans, technical expertise and training and technology.

    (I won’t go into the comfort woman issue now; too tired of typing, but that issue should not be used as so-called “evidence ” that the Japanese aren’t sorry for WWII).

    • Far East

      Thank you very much for that contribution. I completely agree with you.

      • Whirled Peas

        :-)

    • pete

      I agreed completely with you on this. The reason that chinese never got message was that gov and education system never told people truth about history, even their own history.