It’s time for Japan and South Korea to move on from their history

It’s time for Japan and South Korea to move on from their history

The horrible sufferings during Japan’s occupation of South Korea from 1910 to 1945. The allegations of “comfort women” and whether or not they were kidnapped and forced into sexual slavery. And the demands by governments for “sincere” apologies. All of this needs to come to a stop if there is going to be any hope of ending the disputes over a couple of uninhabited volcanic rocks in sea. And especially if there is going to be any form of a true friendship between Japan and South Korea.

I’m sorry to say this, but the tit-for-tat antics between Japan and South Korea are starting to become truly comical. The decades of disputes over the territory that is known as Dokdo in Korean, and Takeshima in Japanese has resulted in back and forth refusals of a simple diplomatic letter, calls for government leaders to apologize for their previous demands for apologies, and the inability to have the issue settled in an international court are playing out like a television sitcom. And at the heart of the problem is history, or rather the emotional ties to history.

Let’s start with South Korea. The argument that we hear (not necessarily from all or even most Koreans, but rather those who are most vocal about their viewpoint) is that Japan doesn’t do enough to acknowledge or make right it’s colonial occupation of the Korean peninsula before and during World War II. Furthermore, that there have been no apologies for enforcement of Korean women to work as sexual slaves, or comfort women, for the Japanese Imperial Army. The truth is that there is a long list of Japanese government leaders, and even Emperor Akihito, who have apologized for the atrocities committed in the past.

Then there is the argument that Japanese textbooks skip over that part of history, or even teach the opposite of what really happened. Now, Japan is far from innocent in this aspect, but that claim is pretty far-fetched. Like any country that has as long of a history of Japan, it is incredibly difficult to teach all of it to children in their schooling years before college. The accusations that are certainly closer to the truth are that the education system moves to slow when going through history, so that in the junior high or high school years there isn’t really enough time to go as in-depth as they should with the WWII era. There are no textbooks or education that specifically covers up or denies Japan’s history in WWII, and if someone cites one, then it is decades old or not at all credible or legitimate.

If someone in Japan is curious or wants to know more about the history or WWII, there are plenty of books and resources available that openly, and accurately, teach what happened. And once students get to higher education, they are free to choose in-depth history courses if they want. But you know what, the issue with how Japan’s history isn’t just about South Korea or China, it has to do with the greater problem of the Japanese education system as whole, and that there is little to no teaching of critical thought, and instead focuses on strict memorization.

Why are there so many South Koreans who weren’t even alive during the occupation that have such strong emotional ties to what Japan has done to make it right? What I mean is, it seems as if the Korean education system isn’t just teaching the history of what happened, but rather including the emotional attachment as well. In other words, Koreans don’t just learn “this is what Japan did in the past during wartime,” they are taught that, along with the emotional sentiment “Japan has never truly apologized, and when they do, they don’t really mean it. And their textbooks deny what really happened, so most Japanese people don’t really know what they did to us.”

All this does is breed generations of animosity and the inability to view history as what it is: history. When the country of Indonesia teaches its history of the Japanese occupation, it teaches that Japan did do terrible things, but it was during a period of war, and wartime is when mankind is at its absolute worst. But they also teach how Japan brought infrastructure, like roads, and developments that benefited the country far after WWII ended.

I said it earlier and I’ll say it again, Japan is not innocent in this issue. Many have pointed out the vocal nationalist groups, or even the odd politician who makes public statements in denial of the history of comfort women. These people do not represent the majority of the Japanese population; they are the equivalent of those who deny the holocaust ever happened, or that the U.S. never really landed on the moon, and they are usually dismissed as ridiculous in the minds of the public. And when it comes to politicians? The majority of the public is so jaded with the government as this point and how they have so little say in who is elected or what actions are taken that when they hear these kinds of comments on the evening TV news, it goes in one ear and out the other.

If you’ll notice, I’ve made no claims about who does or doesn’t have the rightful claims over the disputed islands. That’s because I don’t know. I can’t begin to judge who judge who should have control over it. In fact, I’m of the opinion that if both countries can’t agree to let the International Court of Justice (ICJ) decide, then no one should have them. Just blow them up and send them to the bottom of the ocean. But what I have been trying to say is that if South Korea and Japan do want to work this out, they need to have rational diplomatic discussions about it, leaving out the emotional history.

I am also not advocating that the history of Japan’s actions be swept under the rug, or that the abuse of Korean women should not be recognized or taught. I think Japan’s education system needs to be changed and I think South Korea should focus more on its current-day relationship with Japan, and how connected the two countries are. They probably have some of the strongest economic ties in Asia, as well as healthy tourism, and an enjoyment of each other’s cultures. I wish Korea would stop calling for apologies if it feels those in the past haven’t been “sincere” enough, especially from an emperor who was only 12 years old when WWII ended. And I wish the Japanese government would take a tougher stance on vocal nationalist groups who take a stance opposite the government’s and claim they are speaking for the nation.

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  • Cleo

    Korea, close your eyes, cover your ears and drink the wine of forgetfulness so when a goblin stands before you and says he wants to offer your teenage daughter a good job, please do wave goodbye to her. And I do mean, GOOD BYE.

    They want to repeat the past and none of us want them to do that – so we can’t forget and we can’t BLINK when the “weeping angels” are at the door.

    Akihito just wants Hisahito to marry a Korean or Shanghainese and build a new base of operations. The old one is irradiated.

    Why was the play about Queen MIn’s called “The Last EMPRESS?”

    There wasn’t a dry eye in Lincoln Center by the end of that play.

    Every one of their victims begged the sky to get them OUT of the reach of the goblins, the universe, LIFE, should STOP this from happening to them.

    By “moving on,” Japan’s whores want the rest of us to ALLOW Japan to do whatever they want. If the Americans really wanted that, they wouldn’t have put the Marines on Okinawa, the Allies would not have fought EACH OTHER in Korea and Vietnam. This is about stopping them. Let no lie be believed, it’s meant for goblin consumption.

    Nobody can stand the baby rapists.

    • Mother Earth’s Rocks

      Go to the international court review the Potsdam declaration, resolve it and give the rocks nature.

  • Ridiculous article

    I guess you feel the same way about the holocaust? Is it okay if it was only a small mention in the German history books and that young Germans would take the initiative when they get to college to figure out what really happened? As if. Korea was colonized for over four decades and were inhumanely treated by the Japanese (to put it nicely). Your article basically states to “get over it.” You’re an idiot and have no clue as to what actually happened in Korea because if you did, then you’d understand why a nation feels the way that they do. The Japanese could learn a lot from the Germans in terms of PR. There is nothing that the Koreans can learn from you Mr. Westlake. Then again, I guess when you’re a foreigner who writes for the JDP, it definitely scores you some brownie points with the locals.

  • Polaris Silvertree

    I get the gist of the article — but I think the writer is too detached from the complexity and animosity that these countries share historically to really understand the issues. And to try and encapsulate all of that into this “get over it” article makes it difficult for anyone to even try to explain to him why its off — there’s just too much ground to cover. To be fair, his macro/global view is legit in that both countries are tied together in many ways and should look at the bigger picture. But, there is much more here than just these two issues that I would contend have shaped the mindset of Korea that predates even these things. LIkewise for the Japanese. But, if you really want to talk about German PR and Japanese PR — you probably need to understand that the two are distinctly different. One is about true reform where every citizen had to understand and recognize the magnitude of its country’s errors in the last world war and demonstrate contrition. The other is about providing two-sides to the story — one that seems to display outwardly to its neighbors “regret” (which in Korea doesn’t necessarily equal an apology) and the other (inwardly) to go about minimizing the shame/loss of face and to perpetuate a cultural mindset of superiority over its neighbors (undermining the first side of the story and at the same time effectively preserving certain fundamental Imperialistic philosophies that still concern Asians in general). I for one appreciate the attempt by the author — but he’s way above his head.

    • djwe kodow

      Your point seems like germany has repented and apologized enough but Japan has not so korea should not forgive Japan.
      But there are somethings that I don’t understand.First, what Japan did to korea is totally different from what Nazis did to the jews. Nazis tried eliminate the whole Jewish race by holocaust. But Japanese never tried to eliminate whole korean race, and probably much more jewish people got killed by holocaust than koreans killed by jap during reign. I am sorry but I honestly believe that Jewish suffered more than korean people during WWII. This might be offending but I am not trying to offend koreans and I know Japan did bad things, but I am trying to be honest with my thought.
      I believe what Japan did to korea is probably more equivalent to colonialism of asian and african nations by european countries.
      I am not criticizing european nations, but have european nations apologized or paid compensations for colonization and slavery of African nations? Please tell me if there is such a case. Even if there is such a case it would be rare. As far as I know even Germany has not apologized for colonialism of african nations or annexation of neighbor countries like poland(but as you know germany has apologized and paid compensation for holocaust).The fact that they have not apologized for colonization does not mean european nations are willing to make colonies again. Please tell me if I got any facts wrong I will welcome that.

      Also, you say Japan shows regret but does not show apology. But please look at the link shown in this article about list of apology, and search for the word “apology” . THere are tons of apologies there. Japan has also paid compensations. Hashimoto recently said there is no evidence to enforced sexual slavery, not because he is shameless and imperialistic but he honestly believes there is no sound evidence for that. If Hashimoto is asked about colonization or invasion he would probably admit these are bad things and we should never do that again(If he doesn’t say that I will not support him). please don’t take everything mixed up. Japanese apologized for colonization or invasion but just cannot apologize for things which they are not sure about.

      You also say Japan is “preserving certain fundamental Imperialistic philosophies”. I don’t quite understand what you mean by that but if you are saying that Japan is thinking about invading or colonizing asian countries for resources, that is very unlikely to happen(please don’t say sueing to the court is an invasion.It is the legitimate means to solve dispute). If someone says in Japan that he wants to invade korea, people around him will think he has gone out of mind. If you want to be sure about that try saying that out loud in japan, most people will think you are joking or crazy or extreme rightist(just like neo nazis).

      I really feel sorry for all the sufferings of korea, but there are also tons of nations out there that suffered due to colonialism and slavery. And many of these nations are thinking about future more than their past. I won’t say koreans should forgive Japan immediately but I also believe hate almost never create a positive result.

      • C.K.

        Problem with this kind of article is that it will always end up “Japan’s colonization of Korea was less harsh than African colonization” or “Japan brought technology” or “Forced sex slavery cannot be proved” or “Japan probably wasn’t that cruel”. The most shocking part is “Jewish suffered more than korean people during WWII”. Are you actuallying saying those words? Are you trying to measure the number of people got shot/raped/gassed to death? It is ridiculous that you think Japan can get away like this.

        • djwe kodow

          I am really sorry if I offended you.
          But If I were born during WWII and able to chose between living as jew in germany during WWII or live as korean in korean peninsula during WWII I will definitely chose the latter. I will probably get killed in Germany if I were jew.
          I am not saying Japan did a good thing, I totally admit colonizationg was bad,really. I know feeling of uneasiness when compaing evilness by number of casualties but if you admit there is such a thing as degree of evilness holocaust was much worse(just like usually, killing hundred people is considered worse than killing one.It might be a sick idea but this measurement is used in criminal court in reality). If you deny the degree of evilness ,and say killing one and killing hundred is evil to the same exten, then you are right, they are both wrong to the same extent.

          “Forced sex slavery cannot be proved” I am sorry but I feel nothing is wrong is saying this if this is true. Japan was surely an aggressor, and korea victim but Japan has no obligation to apologize for things that might not have happened. Same rule applies in the court.I used to believe that there were enforced comfort women but later surprised to learn that there are no witnesses, no witnesses to forced sex slavery from third person in korea. Instead many koreans,at first, claimed they have never seen Jap military forcing prostitution. I used to be on your side before concerning sex slavery but changed my mind that there might not be enough evidence to support sex slave.(there might be individual soldiers who raped but this is a different story from sex slave).
          But as I said repeatedly I am sorry for colonization, I am not legitimating everything Japan did please understand that.

      • Polaris Silvertree

        I think you’ve misconstrued my response, but I also believe there are gaps in your understanding of the issues between Korea and Japan. Some of it is truly because you are not looking at this from an Asian standpoint — and I agree that can be difficult to understand at time. However, I do not choose to compare the German Nazi atrocities with the Japanese ones. They were both grievous and at some point you hit a threshold that says the magnitude of these wrongs are no longer an issue — it was just evil and demands a full apology of the highest kind. I will say this, I do agree that the German’s were out for genocide in a more “traditional sense”, but I would contend that the Japanese were in effect also committing something equally bad by systematically removing identity, culture and language from the Koreans — but at the same time not granting them equality in rights (in addition to systematic persecution/killing/slavery/etc). Both were guilty of extensive human experiments (and it wasn’t just the Koreans on the receiving end, the Chinese, Australians, US, etc were all victims of experiments by Japan).

        My statements about PR was referring more specifically to the German approach to apology versus Japanese. Which brings us back to the issue you raised by the wiki link in the article to the “apologies” Japan has made to numerous countries. To me, the wiki site represents a very western approach to what we consider apology — but in the minds of many Koreans and others, the Japanese emperor is the heart and soul of Japan. If he doesn’t apologies, all else is trivial. This is a key factor to many and is not taken lightly. Japan knows this and has refused to let this happen. Even the previous emperor allowed his top military officers to either be executed or imprisoned — but he remained immune. To Korea (who you have to remember was freed from being a colony within the last 65 years or so) this is a non-negotiable if you really want to go talk about apologies. Now let me take it down a level — do I think many Japanese out there are truly sorry for what happened? Yes. But for many the issue really is with the emperor — he is the symbol of all that is Japan.

        Now about my comment on Imperialist Japan — its a nuance that is difficult to explain — but I was not referring to Japanese ambitions for military invasion or anything like that. Rather, Japanese Imperialism manifests itself in other forms (whether it be economic or otherwise) that is designed with collaboration in mind – but more for the gain of Japan than its partners. Again, its difficult to articulate — but this is the impression. In fact, the author of this article mentioned something interesting — he innocently suggested that they just blow up Dokdo. Many people may not understand why that would actually offend Koreans — but it was suggested before by the Japanese to the Koreans many years ago in secret talks. And I care not to elaborate, but that is just a hint of some of the less well known history that the rest of the world is not even aware of between these two countries.

        Finally your attempt to equalize Japan’s colonial rule with some of the atrocities committed in Africa by European countries or you can even argue how the US treated Native Americans is upside down, IMHO. I believe if you really want to stop the vicious cycle of animosity and really begin a new start without the dysfunctionality, I would argue that what Korea demands is correct. If you want to go forward as a healthy partner, you got to come clean. You can try to let time make it all fade or perhaps people can forget — but we tried that in Eastern Europe, Middle East, and in Africa — and I would say that there has been more problems that are now cropping up due to sectarian violence, ethnic cleansing, etc that were pent up because the right things were not done to truly rectify those wrongs.

        • djwe kodow

          Polaris Silvertree
          Thank you for calm and thoughtful reply.
          Yes Japan did atrocities by colonizing, but as I have said same is true with many european natios. They have killed resistance or revolutionaries during colonialism and probably destroyed traditional cultures in ways in many countries by forcing their values.Many africans were forced to labor, and many were taken to fight in the war. European nations have started many wars in foreign land to expand territories. There is a research that the more slave trading have been done in the area of africa that area tend to have less GNP. slave trade has decreased labor power in the area and hindered economic development.The number of slave trading done in Africa would be uncomparable to that of Japan’s forced labor in korea. Look at Africa today, Why are african nations still suffering heavily? African people are capable of building prosperity. there must be influece from long period of slavery and colonialism. Considering these facts I believe atrocities done to africans are no less than what Japan did to korea. That is why some african nations demand apology and reparation for colonization and slavery to european nations just like korea does to japan. But the fact is that european nations rarely apologize or pay compensation.If japan’s colonization and ruling “was just evil and demands a full apology of the highest kind” as you say. European nations should also be responsible for full apology to colonized nations. but korean people seems to claim Japan is the only nation that does not apologize and that is something I don’t get.
          But the truth out there is that there have been tons and tons of atrocities that took place in the past and still going on in the world and for many of them there have not been any apologies or reparation. It is sad but that’s the way the world is. Looking around the world, I feel Japan has made a fairly good amount of apologies and compensations(whether it is enough is a another problem though,).
          Yes I believe you are right in saying japan can’t justify itself by bring up bad example. That’s an ideal. But tell me if I am wrong but Korea seems to ignore or forget every apologies and compensations Japan has done. I even wonder whether most koreans know the fact that Japan has apologized many times and paid compensation. there is too strong and too emotional anti- japan sentiment in korea which is always hindering good relationship between korea and japan and it is very unconstrcutive. Other nations like taiwan philippines have been colonized by Japan but polls show that they don’t have such a strong anti-Japan sentiment like the one in korea. Same is true with african nations toward EU. Why is that? Most of hate toward japan in korea seems to be rising from anti-japan education which is designed not to just teach facts but to teach hate toward japan.
          Waiting for Japan to reach out all the way to korea doesn’t seem to work for me. For Japan is not a perfect country just like all the other nations. no nation I believe is perfectly clean. But Japan has done much of repentance and apologies and compensations(Emperor problem I will mention later).
          Just like in personal relationship when someone does some bad thing to you, and apologizes, but you might think apology is not enough. if you know that inside of his heart he is repenting and willing to build good relationship with you, forgiving him is a more constructive way than keep on accusing him emotionally. I believe there are things korea can do to make relaionship better. doesn’t have to forgive everything but korea can calm down and walk closer.
          You say that “the Japanese emperor is the heart and soul of Japan” but it is also possible to understand that what ordinary people is thinking as important as what the emperor says(or it is possible to argue it is more important). you say “If he doesn’t apologize, all else is trivial.” but I cannot agree with you on this. I have to stress this but what people are thinking is really really important. I don’ think you will say it is ok to just let the emperor apologize and Japanese people can all forget what happened in the past. What people are thinking is at least as important as what the emperor says.
          Also the previous emperor stayed not because Japanese gov decided it but because GHQ decided to let the emperor stay.If GHQ had decided otherwise Japan had no choice but to obey their orders. Previous emperor himself was probably ready personally to resign and take punishment for he said so to MacArthur but MacArthur refused.
          About blowing up of islands, I never knew about it and researched a little and yes japanese said it first but I have also read Korean Kim Jong-Pil also said the same thing. I assume it is offending to korea because korea believes island is their own territory and blowing it up is unbearable. Also the Japanese said so not because they wanted to destroy korea’s propety but the dispute over small islands was becoming such a big obstacle in signing of treaty of basic relations between Japan and Korea. They did not know about resources hidden under islands and by thinking in big picture, he felt that trivial dispute is hindering progress. I also believe he wasn’t that serious(but I know it is inapproriate to say it even if it is not serous), because if Japan really destroys the islands relationship with korea will be harmed and no treaty will be signed. If he was serious, I think he is a little bit out of mind.

          • Polaris Silvertree

            Its been a while since I responded and most likely the last time for this thread. The issue to me really focuses on three key points that in my mind differentiate Korea’s issues with Japan and the ones you brought up with regards to Europe and Africa. The reality to many Koreans is that Korea and Japan are in close proximity to each other. Nay, they are in reality neighbors with very common interests that impact both sovereign countries. This is the first point. Africa was on another continent from the European slavemasters. And while you consider Korea’s demands as ideal, I dispute that the “ideal” is not unattainable. Germany had to completely surrender to its opposing neighbors and free the ones it had captured. With regards to Japan, this was the case for the most part — but I think it was more sloppily done (by the US) and Korea for the part (being a colony) and poor understanding of the general situation was overlooked and misrepresented. The second point is this. If you want to now partner with the country you just brutally abused and there are still portions of the population that remember some of these past things — I think you have to recognize that its not going to be something that anyone can presume you just “move on”. From a macro level, its easy to dismiss certain things — Young Pil made this very bad assumption (granted the man was only in his late 30s/early 40s — and was no match for the more experienced older Japanese delegations) in the 60′s and his government faced intense pressure as a result from his own people to not entertain Japanese overtures of friendship with all of their stipulations. When people are alive and the atrocities are real — you have to consider the micro-level view (the humanity) or it is perceived as very disingenuous and overly convenient. Again, governments can only gloss over so much… The third point is this, there is a web of misinformation that has been flowing out of both Japan and Korea for decades now on this issue. Some of it are large (and important) factions (on both sides) that have largely gone unchecked. The reason is that both governments have kept themselves at a distance from the issues when they can afford to (even now both Korean and Japan have cooled down quite a bit). However, these factions have historically sabotaged relations when it seemed most opportune. With the pressing need to counter North Korea and China as Asian powers, they are in dire need of reconciliation because both countries need to take the fast track to maintain relevancy. The last comment is not a point, but its an intangible that I feel is not emphasized — and that is apology/loss of face/honor. Both Japan and Korea are guilt-driven/face-saving societies that have nuances in their protocols and perceptions. Korea watches/observes Japan very closely (and vice versa) and while outsiders like you (my apologies if I was presumptuous) and I can continue to characterize their relationship, I would venture to say there are things that both countries say and do that most of us do not pick up on or understand. But one thing in my mind is clear, the relationship is complex with MANY subtleties that are not openly discussed in any forums.

          • djwe kodow

            I really apreciate calm and thoughtful comment.
            Yes Europe and Africa is on different continent and Europe has similar historical religious cultural backgrounds which is different from most of Africa. I might be misunderstanding you, and if you meant nations in distance tend to have less anti-sentiment, I think that’s true to some extent. But I also wonder why Taiwan or philippines or Indonesia have much less anti-Japan sentiment regarding annexation(and incidents like manila massacre) or colonization compared to korea. It’s not that Indonesians do not know atrocities dones by Japan(for I believe they teach that in school.). It is sad but, I believe there are many individuals in philippines or indonesia who have been treated cruelly, or many descendants of those killed by Japanese military, and still having not any compensation for that as an individual. I think many of Indonesians know the bad side of annexation, but seems like they don’t care much about it today for reasons(things in Taiwan might be a little bit different but it’s the same that the majority of people don’t have strong anti-japan sentiment).
            About the point that if there is people alive, there has to be a micro level. I also think that’s true to some extent. Government of Germany has been denying legal responsibility to compensations for individual who suffered in the war(germany don’t deny legal responsibility to compensate toward nations), for they believe there is no such responsibility according to the intl law. But they started paying to compensation to individuals on not legal but moral ground around 1990′s. I believe that is a good thing to do but, from Japan’s pov it brings up the difficulty of where to draw the lines if the compensation is based on morality. There is also a fear that it might end up becoming a long slippery slope without end. I know Japanese right wingers(including right wing politicians) are hindering this kind of compensations.
            Sorry for I have forgotten what I meant by “ideal” in the previous post but realistic goal in my opinion is not Japan doing perfectly in apology and compensations. Rather, it is Japan making good effort(but probably failing to do everything perfectly) and korea forgiving Japan by generously overlooking things Japan failed to do perfectly by considering things Japan did successfully. I know the huge problem is what is “making good effort”. Perfect apology and compensations, I believe is almost impossible(or at least it takes long time). For even Germany is asked for more compensation still today. Polish parliament has said, in 2004, that compensations done by Germany is not enough, which irritated some german politicians. And Greece seems to be preparing for asking compensations toward germany now. I also wonder, especially for poland, whether germany actually has really paid enough compensations for all the atrocities and damages in poland, if you look at it in detail( I know germany has paid tons of compensations for holocaust). And even if there is unsolved historical problems, these countries can keep on talking between gov calmly, for they don’t necessary have strong anti-germany sentiment(for poland there might be some feelings toward germany but it would be much less compared to korea or china).
            What I wanted to say most is that strong anti-japan sentiment is meaningless and non benefitial, but just bring troubles between china korea and japan(its obvious if you look at what’s happening in china now). I feel korean gov can’t compromise against Japanese gov in many areas because that compromise might bring strong criticism toward gov due to anti- japan sentiment. If korean gov doesn’t compromise in any areas, Japan will have hard time negotiating with korea. If there is not much strong anti-japan sentiment, both governments can discuss and negotiate more calmly and cooperate in many areas. I know its painful that ancestors are treated cruelly, but if we look at history in detail there are incidents in which Japanese civilians were brutally killed by chinese military in the past. If japanese schools start teaching these incidents in detail and try to create anti-china sentiment, that might be possible, but also totally meaningless in building good relationship today.
            I agree with you a lot about the third point. I really believe right wingers in both countries are hindering building good relationship. I also believe information on the interenet is sometimes inaccurate and one sided.

  • Truth

    I was born and raised in the U.S. and I know this article is a load of crap. So as long as conservative regimes in Japan continue to deny, deny, deny, Koreans and Chinese will never forget, let alone forgive. For example, just last week Hashimoto denied there is any evidence of enforced sexual slavery during WWII. The author is attempting to come off as reasonable and unbiased, when it’s obvious to me, as well as the rest of the commentators, this is far from the case.

  • Chiara

    Mr Westlake I am sure you are trying to be fair, and it is admittedly difficult to be obliged to helplessly watch the escalation of this conflict, being fully aware that nothing good can come of it. I also share your overall impression that in this conflict there is nobody completely innocent. Still, I think it is indispensable to take a closer look at the details – as tedious as that may be.

    The issue is not so much about who apologizes to whom for what but which opinions are socially accepted in Japan TODAY and which not. Just for example, during the ongoing expert hearings about the possible amendment of the Imperial Household Law, the government invited, among others, Yoshiko Sakurai to give her opinion. Ms. Yoshiko Sakurai is a well-known journalist who maintains that the Nanking massacre has never taken place and that the so-called “comfort women” were “not taken by force”. She was one of those persons (among them several Diet
    members) who in 2007 put their signature to a full-page advertisement in the Washington Post, in which it was argued that the use of comfort women was “anything but the truth”.

    It would not happen in Germany (for example) that any person who claims that the Holocaust never took place would be heard by the government as an expert on WHATEVER issue. Much less that members of the parliament would ever publicly declare the killing of millions of Jews to be “anything but the truth”. It simply would not happen. (Thank God.) In Japan it is happening. Revisionist opinions are maybe not shared by the majority in Japan. But they are neither stigmatized. To the contrary, people who belong to the cultural and political elite are free to hold and openly promote
    them.

    To be quite clear, this is not about comparing the Holocaust to whatever. Of course, the Holocaust is unique, horribly unique. And, admittedly, war is always a cruel thing. Awful acts are committed on all sides. But, just for example, as horrible as the Allied bombing campaign over Japan was, there has never been any doubt that it TOOK PLACE. What would the Japanese say if the US suddenly claimed that the two atomic bombs dropped over Hiroshima and Nagasaki were but a collective hallucination of the Japanese and never really existed?

    By all this, I am not meaning to say that South Korea is completely innocent in this matter. To blame the emperor, of all people, for having been hypocritical when he expressed his regrets over the past is extremely unfair. The emperor has always taken great pains to make it quite clear that he is very grieved about what Japan did during the war and before, and he has gone so far in this intention as to seriously annoy Japan´s right wingers who are traditionally the ultimate stronghold of the monarchy in
    Japan. Akihito clearly strives to be the symbol of a different Japan.
    I am sorry to say it but whoever tries to push him back into the traditional position of a tenno who could be held responsible for Japan´s nationalism and colonialism and accuses him of being the core of an unrepentant Japan, is clearly not interested in promoting peace and reconciliation.

  • Nonpartisan Critic

    I can’t even comment. For those who are commenting, don’t waste your breath. Adam Westlake has no understanding and more or less is a Japanese advocate. His statements are without merit.

    His background as stated by the Japan Daily Press is International Relations. (Note, this is a bachelors degree, and might I add his love affair with the Japanese culture.)

    For apparently someone so ill-qualified, he is the editor of Japan Daily Press…

  • Cleo

    How many countries have Korea and China invaded? China gave the pro-Japanese media “Tibet” for their own propagandistic purposes but there is no money in Tibet as the Himalayan economies indicate. It’s a money pit. So why does China have to control that nature-made section of the Great Wall?

    Since Japan is using Chinese responses on the Koreans as if Gollum were posing as Frodo in the hopes of passing off whatever is spouted by bad actors will convey the Ring of Truth that the Japanese are so ridiculous as to feel actually matters.

    It only matters to screw with Japan. Here I am blowing kisses to the Koreans because I know it pisses off Japan and it only works because Japan knows that I am being truthful in my gratitude and admiration of the peninsula guardians.

    This is HORRIBLE for us Mainland Asians not just China and Korea because we KNOW Japan is invading. Japan is NOT being invaded – I don’t believe for one second their bright and chirpy news that tourist numbers are up and there are deals to develop Fukushima region with the Taiwanese. There’s no money in Fukushima or anywhere else in Japan proper. What are we supposed to do? Build another Disneyland there? For WHO?

    I can’t say I can’t believe that Japan continues to pick a fight with China and Korea because that would be insulting the facts of what Japan truly did to Asia especially ethnic Chinese. Yeah, they do do that. So no, they won’t just keep the peace like Taiwan who has the strongest case of all but it would mean something else that would trigger Japan hysteria if Taiwan decloaked and the evidence was united. You are being offered an easy and safe egress, you refuse to take it.

    So be it.

    Good bye, chumps.

  • Cleo

    When the Chinese are poor, what do they do, they leave home for bad food in a foreign land and work jobs that no one wants gratefully. They don’t invade a neighbor. Japan did that and it was lying just like Germany when it said it needed to do so economically. They were over prepared with weapons just like Germany and that is why Corea fell, why Poland and much of Europe fell because no one else was armed to the teeth and prepared for them.

    Japan lied and continues to lie as recently as last week’s NHK News specials about how Japan was forced to wage war because of the US embargoes – they did not say anything about Japan’s conduct in China and Corea that brought about the embargoes – now Japan is being thrown parties and allowed to act like an ally so it gets to condemn third party countries that coincidentally are behaving similar to how Japan has behaved which Japan continues to excuse itself for.

    Allies – that’s interesting stuff. It’s more than Doctor Who. All that TALENT united against the Daleks. That’s something to see. Like the Olympics or how the British Royal Family really do have the mandate.

    Akihito

    Goga Ashkenazi

    Prince Harry’s oversharing

    all for the CAUSE as they say in Belfast

    and THAT is AMAZING.

    • OgonBat87

      Cleo says “When the Chinese are poor, what do they do, they leave home for bad food in a foreign land and work jobs that no one wants gratefully. They don’t invade a neighbor. Japan did that and it was lying just like Germany when it said it needed to do so economically. They were over prepared with weapons just like Germany and that is why Corea fell.”

      Are you sure about that? Do you know History? What led to the Sino-Japanese War and the eventual fall of Korea?

      Answer: The Doghak Peasnant Revolution and China’s violation of the Convention of Tientsin.

      The uprising started in Gobu during February 1894, with the Korean peasant class protesting against the political corruption of local government officials…The Joseon government forces failed in their attempt to suppress the revolt, with initial skirmishes giving way to major battles. Korean court asked Qing China for military assistance to “quell the domestic unrest.” When Japanese officials discovered three thousand Chinese troops had disembarked near Seoul in June, Japan’s policy makers met to decide how to respond to China’s violation of the Convention of Tientsin by “dispatching forces without informing Tokyo.”

      You should read the Convention of Tientsin: The 3rd point is critical: China and Japan agreed that neither nation would send troops to Korea without prior notification to the other side. China broke that treaty provoking war with Japan.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_of_Tientsin

      China is also not innocent from invading it’s neighbors. Under Emperor Hong Taiji, the Manchuria-based Qing Dynasty invaded Korea twice, in 1627 and 1636. Following the Second Manchu invasion of Korea, the Qing claimed victory and forced Injo of Joseon into submission,

  • Cleo

    so that’s The Brave

  • Cleo

    Yoko Ono should stop objecting to John Lennon’s shooter getting parole. Give peace a chance. Her father was an operative in Vietnam while she summered with Hirohito’s family. She was the best candidate for Akihito’s wife because of her imperial ancestor. Now look at her. Those posters sure were bestsellers back in the day.

    I wonder if Masako can get comp baseball game tickets whenever she wants. You never forget your first love. Where’s the scrapbook?

  • lindah

    Sorry, this writer completely contradicts himself. He says Japan should not “sweep under the rug” and yet at the beginning, he doesnt even himself acknowledge the truth of what happened – by saying “allegations.” Wow, is this really an educated journalist? this issue is not just about being emotional, it’s about speaking the truth and when it’s done, it’s people understand and learn from it. Please go back into history books and see all the proof of the rapes and those that were robbed of human rights.

  • Dan

    When Japanese emperor apologized, we (Korean) thought that everything would be O.K. from now on and we could build something together. But then, a few months later, some high ranked Japanese politicians visit Yasukuni shrine and say something stupid, which effectively undone Emperor’s sincere apology.

    Same is for Dokdo island. Things were more less calm in old days: Korea owned the island but Korea and Japan agreed to fish together around the island. But then, about 8 years ago, Japan decided to educate Japanese people that Dokdo is theirs by describing in the textbook and decided to describe that Dokdo belongs to them in their defense white paper. Things got worse ever since.

    Many Japanese blame that Korean dwell on the past, but in reality, it is Japanese who dwell on the past and don’t want to move forward.

    • djwe kodow

      Dan
      One thing that is misunderstood by many koreans or chinese is that class A war criminals are enshrined in yasukuni not because of what they did but because they are considered as fallen soldiers. For example, no matter how cruel thing or imperialistic thing a Japanese sodier does, if he was not sentenced to death or die in prison or battlefield, he will never be enshrined in Yasukuni. If yasukuni is purely worshipping imperialism they should enshrine everybody who did a decent job in supporting imperialim or invasion but that never happens. If there is any soldier who did a great job in destroying evil nation or helping oppressed people in foreign countries will be enshrined if he dies in the battle not because of what he did but because he died in battle(existence of such a soldier in japan is a different story).
      Previous emperor, the one who koreans see as much responsible for war is not enshrined in yasukuni simply beccause he did not die in the war there is no other reason attached to it. Shinto itself has history that goes back long way before WWII and has nothing to do with imperialism. I believe it was unfortunately used by Imperialistic Japan as a tool of state shinto. Just like christianity was with crusaders or thirty years war. Probably you know, but Yasukuni has military museum with in it, and you might think “See, it is prasing imperialism” but they say museum is to show how enshrined Japanese soldiers died, at least that’s what they are saying. I hate wars and I visited there but it was simply interesting to look around.
      Politicians who visit yasukuni shrine is a minority in Japanese diet members but I believe they are visiting not to praise deeds of class A criminals such as imperialism or invasion but to simply mourn for dead soldiers of Japan(and basically that’s what they say is their purpose).If any politicians are supporting invasion or imperialism I don’ want to vote for him and probably many japanese will feel the same way( Self defense war would be a different story though). And I tell you this, that having memorial service for dead soldiers of their own nation is common in many nations including germany or italy(prime ministers of Germany often participate these servces).If you understand things this way, apologizing for invasion and colonialism and visiting yasukuni shrine does not necesarrily contradict with each other and this is something critics of yasukuni shrine seems to be missing..
      I have to mention this also but, Germany would not put names of Nazi leaders who played important role for Holocaust on the war memorials where they hold services, but there are probably names of members of Nazi party soldiers on there. Germans probably think, those soldiers are not leaders and just soldiers just like others. I also have to say that germany or Italy is probably not excluding names of those soldiers who fought for colonization, which seems to be a more similar case with the one in japan. What I think is that things are not so simple as visiting yasukuni=praising imperialism. But I do admit this is a sensitive and difficult issue, and there were similar problems in Germany also. But reactions from china and korea on yasukuni seems a little bit over exaggerated. It is maybe Japan’s fault for not explaining things fully, for they tend to put troubles aside(which actually might be causing more problems), but it is not easy to explain the role of yasukuni in Japan
      I personally is not a shintoist and most japanese don’t care whether something is shito or buddhism and probably most of them seldom vist yasukuni and that I believe is the true nature of japan. I know there are some extreme rightist in Japan but I won’t side with them. I feel things will work out better if there is a non relgious war memorial for soldiers like arlington national cemetery where politicians can visit, but at least for today there is no major one in Japan and Yasukuni is the only option.
      About Dokdo/takeshima, you criticize Japan for claiming its territory in defense white paper. I know it feels not good, but similar things are done by Russia or China regarding hoppo islands and senkaku islands toward japan. Senkaku would be more similar, for Japan have control over islands just like Korea on dokdo. And map made by chinese communist party draws a line including senkaku as their territory. It is annoying for japanese but Japanese gov tries to ignore it as much as possible because if japan argue back relationship will be harmed and troubles will comeup(however recently things are heating up). Some chinese military officer even claim territory over okinawa but Japan gov is quiet. Also Japan’s education of takeshima is very very tiny compared to that of dokdo in korea. In fact most people never cared about takeshima until recently when korean president’s rude comment about japanese emperor was taken up by the media. That pulled the trigger for bringing the dispute to ICJ which japan has been withholding for many years thinking about building good relationship between korea and Japan. And please don’t say Japan gov is claiming for territory out of nothing, just like many koreans believe, Japan gov honestly believe they have firm ground to stand on, or else they would never sue to the court. I feel like korea is getting used to silent Japan which seldom protest that once Japan protest it is seen in korea as a rising imperialism of Japan. But that is simply not true.
      What I personally think is that korea would be a more attractive nation, more than it has ever been, if they start looking at future more.It’s the same with personal relatonship. I don’t like getting around with people who is full of hate and keeps on criticizing somebody for a long time and it is difficult to get closer to him if he hates me. japanese feel the hate from korea, and that is making them difficult to get closer to korea in many areas. If japan feels no hate, Japan can much more easily get close with korea. Japan has basically been friendly toward korea in many ways after the war. however hate usually create hate and what I fear is that too much hate from korea might make japanese hate korea back(which I am feeling recently).

      • C.K.

        “There are probably names of members of nazi…”, “germans probably think…, “Italy is probably not excluding names”, “It is maybe Japan’s fault…”

        Germans do NOT celebrate the names of war criminals. They often do make statues and political speeches which allow people to pray such war would never take place again. Japan celebrates war criminals in Yasukuni shirine and even Japanese emperor Hirohito refused to enter the shrine until his death. No one in their right mind would visit. A lot of people will argue that the shirine has imperial characteristics in that it mourns only Japanese and some of them are Class-A World War criminals, which means that it was a glorious thing to have invaded other countries and caused massacres; http://www.china.org.cn/english/features/135371.htm. Japan also has statues of politicians who were executed for war crimes.
        I think it is very natural that South Korea and China condemn Japanese political leaders who visit and worship them. It is also no coincidence that South Korea sees Japan’s claim of Dokdo as having imperial characteristics by reclaiming territories disputed over World War ll.

      • dan

        Dear DJWE,

        Do you know who is Hideki Tojo?
        If you do, I presume that you know that he was executed in 1948.
        Yet, he was enshrined in Yasukuni (together with13 other Class-A war criminals). To Korean, Yasukuni shrine is the shrine for Hideki Tojo and other 13 Class-A war criminals. Korean government once suggested to remove those Class-A war criminals from Yasukuni shrine, but it simply enraged many Japanese.

        Do you know who is Junichiro Koizumi?
        If you do, I presume that he was the prime minister and visited Yasukuni shrine. I don’t think you can call the prime minister as a minor politician.

      • Dan

        [continuing from the above reply]
        I think Japanese emperor was sincere when he apologized the past and I think things could have been much better if there weren’t Japanese (far) right-wingers and some stupid Yasukuni-going politicians. As I see it, they are ones who disgrace the emperor.

        I think Korea and Japan can still be friend even after all these. My suggestion is following.

        1. Dokdo is the thorniest issue between Korea and Japan. My suggestion is let Korea have the sovereignty over the islet, but share the sea around. Let both Korean and Japanese visit the islet and sea freely as if they visit their own islet. My long time dream is converting Sea of Japan (East Sea in Korean) to ‘Fish Farm’ that can feed us (Korean and Japanese). We can establish research institutes on Ullung island and Oki island for the purpose. We can even establish a joint post on Dokdo for the purpose. This arrangement will convert ‘Sea of Trouble’ to ‘Sea of Co-prosperity’

        2. Both Korean and Japanese politicians should be more watchful for their behaviors. Media should not amplify the issue.

        3. There are a few more issues, but not of them are as explosive as Dokdo islet and Yasukuni shrine. These minor issues will disappear as time goes by.

      • djwe kodow

        C.K.
        Even though germans don’t put names of war criminals, they probably put names of would be war criminals who are not famous but were killed during the war. Because they are not war criminals. the similar case happened in graves of german troops located in Italy and they decided to leave the name on graves but continue mourning services. But I admit german is doing better work with drawing line clearly. Also I have mentioned about would be war criminals of allied nations in the other post.
        it is not well know but Yasukuni shrine not only mourns for japanese, it also has different shrine inside that mourns for all the people in the world who died in the war. called chinreisya built in 1965. But it’s tiny.
        Some visitors might be thinking it is glorious thing to have invaded asia(like neo nazis in Germany) but I believe many are also just mourning for the dead (to mourn for their relatives with nobody found, for Japanese believed dead will come back to yasukuni).Not all yasukuni visitors are evil.

        • Chiara

          @ djwe kodow
          You say: “Problem with Japan might be that it is difficult to distinguish between real extreme rightist and just mourner of the dead.”

          I rather believe the problem is that the so-called “just
          mourner of the dead“ do not seem to be interested at all in making it clear that they are no “real extreme rightists“ (whatever that may exactly be). There would actually be many ways of explicitly dissociating themselves from ultranationalist views IF THEY REALLY CARED. This raises the suspicion that they are, in fact, “real extreme rightists“ who pretend to be “just mourner of the dead“ whenever they are being criticized and looking for an easy way out (and probably laugh in secret about the stupid foreigners who actually buy the excuse…)

          • djwe kodow

            some politicians say that they visit yasukuni for mourn and to wish peace, but they usually don’t go further to mention or explain class A war criminal issue. And that’s probably making them look like they are hiding and lying about something( and in a way they are hiding something by not saying it). Politicians who visit don’t go all the way explaining why visiting yasukuni is not glorifying imperialism or invasion or war crimes, because doing that will require explaining of the problems I have mentioned(like unfaireness of tokyo trial), which might cause more political problem. If he says that the tokyo trial was unfair, some will start criticizing him for not repenting and praising imperialism and he might be seen as such person.
            I think I have mentioned most part of what yasukuni visitors are thinking in many of the posts I have written here, and if they are hiding something, it is likely that things hidden are one of these ideas written here(actually it is not hidden and many ideas are out there on the internet if you can read japanese). If you think that views I have written for visitors here, is an unacceptable view, then that is that for you and I won’t deny you (for I don’t support everything they say either).
            But I just wanted critics to know what many of yasukuni visitors are thinking because understanding each other sometimes lessens hate. and I also wanted to know what critical koreans are thinking so I posted here.

      • djwe kodow

        Dan
        Yes many of class a war criminals were executed after the end of war but they were treated as if they died by war. It might be similar to the fact that Japanese soldiers who were taken by soviet for labor and died in siberia after the end of war are also enshrined in Yasukuni.

        As I have said before, Tojo is not there because he committed war crimes. He would not be there if he had escaped trial and survived somewhere else or if he had died by accident before the end of war. Deeds are almost meaningless for being enshrined, the only meaningful and essential element left there is that he died in a event involving war. The main principle is that all dead who died in war for Japan is equal no matter what. No war criminals are treated as higher than other fallen soldiers. I believe this is not convincing enough to cease anger of koreans but at least that’s the teaching of Yasukuni shrine.

        koizumi is notorious for visiting yasukuni repeatedly, but he was not imperialist and he probably has never thought about invading korea or china and he would not want to commit atrocites toward humans, I am pretty sure about that. He did not go there to praise the bad deeds of war criminals but to mourn for the dead.

        I used to wonder “why are they enshrining war criminals?,”I read some argument from supporter of yasukuni shrine before. They might also argue about unfairness and invalidness of Tokyo trial(nuremberg trial was also unfair). Which I felt has valid points, for allied countries had also done lots of atrocities(you can look up allied war crimes in wikipedia) and they were never questioned simply because they won. and victorious nations will not hesitate to celebrate those would be war criminals(not individually but among many fallen soldiers) and nobody think it as a problem which is strange(you can argue that the atomic bombs were war crimes but it was necessary to end the war. but many other war crimes were not necessary to end the war, they were just war crimes). It is like if you win you can do anything. Tokyo trial with its unfair process, was just a formality to make somebody responsible for all the atrocities. Germany might be doing a good job accepting unfair trial even though one of their prime minister said something like the case he was involved was ridiculous and not true.

        I think most japanese didn’t care when korean gov protested to yasukuni, some supported your side, and some were enraged. I believe enraged appears lot from korea because they speak up.
        Just to make sure I hate war crimes and am personally not a supporter of visiting Yasukuni shrine, for it seems to bring more trouble than benefit. Building new non religious place might be not perfect but better. But taking away war criminals from yasukuni is almost impossible with constitutional right to freedom of religion.

        Thank you for saying the emperor was sincere, I also believe he was.
        I haven’t though much about the usage of islands, for I was thinking japan will never be able to gain control again. Co-prosperity might be a good idea, for one taking over completely might cause more hate.
        I also think Japanese should build non religious mourning place without “war criminals” or at least politicians who visit yasukuni should explain more, becuase it is difficult to guess what they are thinking from the outside. They can emphasize from their heart that they are not praising atrocities or imperialism. On the other hand korean gov should stop using anti-japan sentiment to gain popularity for it won’t bring benefit for either korea or japan(what’s happening right now is a good example).

        “minor issues will disappear as time goes by. ” I will be really glad if that come to be true, I wish that happen sometime in future. I’ve met many koreans and many japanese in my life and most of them were nice people, thinking about that korea and japan can get together if they overcome those problems.

        • Dan

          djwe,

          One question you should ask to yourself is “how do I know what Yasukuni-going politicians are thinking in the Yasukuni?” As many Korean see it, politicians or right-wingers who deny Japanese atrocity love to visit the shrine. You may mourn for the fallen, but I would say, those politicians and right wingers visit there to pay tribute to the war-criminals and to praise their ‘gloriously’ bad behaviors. The burden of proof is on Japanese side.

          • djwe kodow

            First I am guessing from what they say. For example koizumi, when asked something like “yasukuni shrine museum says it was a self defense war and do you support that?” he said ” I don’t support that argument. I am here to mourn for the dead and to repent that we should never have war again”. What he said is probably ignored or seen as a lie.
            He might be or might not be lying but you can look at what other visitors say. many yasukuni visitors usually say unfaireness of the tokyo trial but many also say it was a self defense war, or some goes further to say Japan fought the war to fee asia from colonization. For the last argument I completely disagree for some reasons, for the former they usually mean it was self defense war considering the International law at that time, but it is illegal and unacceptable by today’s international law. I looked at some of their argument(mostly on internet but not books sorry) and felt they have some interesting points for that. But it will be a long story so I won’t explain it now.
            yasukuni visitors say things above often but, as far as I know, they do not say, other asians are inferior let’s invade them again, or imperialism or invasion is good, or try to deny obvious atrocities. nanking and sex slaves are controversial issues and rightist usually deny these to various degrees, but for obvious attrocites, they do not deny them. Miyake Hisayuki, a political commentator and visitor of yasukuni, says that peace and love is ideal and that is not aruguable, and that the war is not good. Even kobayashi yoshinori, who is seen as right wing comic writer, and criticized for praising pacific war says he repents for treating soldiers poorly and letting many of them die and for committing atrocities in foreign land(butI personally don’t like kobayashi’s other ideology). But they also say that the the pacific war was a self defese war as i have said above. they say peace is better, at the same time usually have a view of international polticis that not all nations(mainly russia and china, but mostly china today) are friendly, and Japan should have a military to have a deterrent against other nations which is sometimes seen as imperialistic claim by korea or china. Majority of Yasukuni visitors I believe has view similar to them.
            Neo nazis claim white supremacy, that colored inferiors should leave their nations. But I don’t hear racist argument from politicians or famous right wings who visiti yasukuni, such as other asians are inferior so we should colonize them or invade them or they should leave Japan (but I admit there are racists on Japanese internet which seems to be a reaction to anti-japan sentiment and recent growth of korean and chinese enterprises such as samsung in my view, for they usually don’t look down on blacks or philippines. but on public TV or newspapers these racist people do not come up).
            I am not supporting these right wings totally. even though they usually accept obvious atrocities committed by japan and say invasion or war is bad, to me it seems like they think little about pains of Japanese civilians who died or foreigners who got killed in the war. They might be thinking these facts are obvious thing so they don’t have to mention them, but that gives me impression that they are ready to sacrifice unwilling people’s lives for the benefit of Japan and that is ok(which is an idea i don’t like). not all but some of them justify the pacific war as freeing asian nations from colonization, and even if that had happened(it is possible to aruge that did not happen) it is just a result, the imperial gov would have just made asian nations into their colonies I believe.

          • Dan

            @google-9fbe3c06eac959271bc90cd22fa497af:disqus

            Given the population size of Japan (and Korea), it is not surprising to find extreme right wingers, stupid bunch of loosers. I wish they marginalized enough not to influence on national policy.

            One thing I don’t understand quite well is the relationship between Japanese emperor and right wingers. My impression is that emperor Akihito seems to be genuinely good natured and it is bit difficult for me to associate him with foul-mouthed right wingers. But then, Japanese right wingers seem to be extremely emotional about the emperor and they behave as if they are the guardian of the emperor. It makes me (and many Koreans) wonder if there is any secrete pact between the emperor and right wingers.

          • Chiara

            I am aware that you have not asked me but I will
            nevertheless give my two cents worth… ;-)

            Herbert Bix, the author of the Pulitzer-prize winning
            “Hirohito and the Making of Modern Japan” said, “The monarchy
            is a brake on any hopes of deepening Japanese democracy and making it
            real. As long as it exists, democracy has quotes around it.” “State
            Shinto” with its ceremonial head, the tenno, became a powerful
            instrument in the hands of early 19th century militarists, who used
            it to glorify their policy of aggression that, finally, led to World
            War II. As the tenno, at the time, was supposed to be a divine being,
            it was possible to justify even the most atrocious crimes if they
            were but being committed in his name – obviously a god is not
            obliged to abide by the moral laws of common mortals as he is beyond
            them.

            Japan has a longstanding political tradition and
            history of sidelining the emperor, while others control power from
            behind the throne. Sloganeering about being loyal to the tenno was
            widespread, and sometimes used by both of two inimical groups that
            were fighting for power. Too often, a closer look would have revealed
            that the tenno to be supported was not the individual who was
            actually occupying the throne but the legendary first tenno Jimmu who
            had set up the ideal of “hakko ichiu” – “the whole world
            under one roof”. (“Hakko ichiu” expresses the idea of Japanese
            racial superiority and orders the Japanese people to conquer the
            whole world in order to endow it with the supreme blessing of the
            unique Japanese national spirit that the tenno embodies.)

            In my opinion, this is also happening today.
            Ultranationalists support the monarchy as an institution and try to
            use the emperor as sort of a token figurehead for their political
            purposes. But this does not mean that the individual who happen to
            occupy the position of emperor willingly supports chauvinistic or
            antidemocratic opinions (although ultranationalists would like to
            make people believe that he does). For example, during the last
            years, ultraconservatives have attempted put people under obligation
            to sing the Kimigayo anthem, in various contexts. In February of this
            year, a 61-year-old male teacher refused to stand up during the
            singing of the Kimigayo
            at a graduation ceremony at an Osaka prefectural high school. The man
            had been rehired by the school after reaching the mandatory
            retirement age of 60 and was highly evaluated by the school
            principal, who gave him the second highest competence rating. Still,
            after the incident, the teacher was notified that his services were
            no longer required.

            The emperor is clearly not pleased by these
            attempts to force people to do something they feel uncomfortable
            with. Once, a Tokyo Metropolitan District (TMD) official boasted in
            front of the emperor that all the employees of the TMD now sang the
            Kimigayo.
            Akihito’s dry retort — “Yes, and wouldn’t it have been nice
            if they had not been coerced to do so?” — left that official
            completely speechless…

            If the emperor could be made to concentrate on Shinto
            rites and talk as little as possible to the public, that would be
            great from a ultraconservative point of view because, for them, the
            best emperor would be a silent emperor.

            For more info see, for example: “Japan’s
            Imperial Present“, By Steven R. Weisman, The New York Times:

            “People around the
            Emperor say he resents being used by this small group of Emperor
            worshipers, especially the extremists. The rightists, in turn, are
            said to be less than happy with his stated support for the Japanese
            Constitution, calling him a ”closet pacifist” and leftist tainted
            by Christian influence. [...] there is little doubt among the people
            who know the Emperor best about where he stands. ”He is very much a
            member of his generation, a very strong pacifist, a strong liberal
            and a believer in democracy,” says Edwin O. Reischauer, the former
            United States Ambassador to Japan and a longtime acquaintance. As
            evidence of Akihito’s pacifism, for example, an insider at the palace
            recalled a conversation in which someone described nuclear weapons as
            a ”necessary evil,” only to be lectured curtly by the Emperor about
            the devastation they cause.”

            Or: The
            Times, May 24, 2007, „Life in a goldfish bowl“:

            „The Emperor studiously avoids any
            explicit expressions of political opinion, but over the years it has
            become clear that he is a man of firm, liberal beliefs. On visits to
            China, Korea and SouthEast Asia, he has spoken with regret of the
            sufferings inflicted by Japanese forces during the war. All of this
            has infuriated the ultranationalist right, the successors to the
            Emperor-worshippers of the prewar period, who already resented
            Akihito’s modernising reforms. Emperor-worshippers, by definition,
            cannot criticise the object of their devotion – and so their target
            has been the next thing to him: his wife, Michiko.“

            See also: “Japan´s
            imperial family: Its role and meaning in modern Japan“ (Critical
            Essay) by Raymond Lamont-Brown. All three pieces are to be found
            online.

          • djwe kodow

            Chiara thank you for answering. I am neither an emperor praiser or lover or follower or expert but from my knowledge I agree with you in many parts, (the details I simiply do not know). I am surprised by the knowledge you have about japan.
            I have my opinion on few things. Rightist seems to pick comments of the emperor that fits their views and tend to ignore comments that goes against them(such as the fact that the emperor does not visiting yasukuni). In my opinion, usually, rightists(well known ones) do not criticize emperor openly. If they do, I believe that is unusual. Rather they usually say good thing about the emperor. Yoshinori kobayashi praises the emperor for the emperor has always been hoping for the peace and prosperity of every human beings. But Kobayashi also criticizes the left wing that, left wing people wanted to abolish the emperor before, because he is seen as symbol of imperialistic japan, and now the emperor is saying peaceful words, the many of left wings stopped saying that( he probably wanted to say that left-wing criticism toward the emperor system was pointless).
            I have written that usually visitor of yasukuni do not care that class a war criminals are enshrined. But I have found an exception and surprised it was Shintaro Ishihara, the governor of tokyo. He is seen as very hawkish and nationalist, but he was against enshrinement of class A war criminals. The reason is that, eventhough the tokyo trial was unfair, some of class A war criminals have caused tremendous damage to Japan so they don’t deserve to be there. He says when he visits yasukuni, he omits those who is responsible to much damage of Japan and just mourne for the rest.
            Major people who visit yasukuni, says war is not good, peace is much better. and they are not racist( some of them tend to think Japan’s tradition is superior to other nations. but I don’t think that can be called racism) It is also true that even Hitler said, Germany will not wage wars anymore and protect peace. he kept saying that until he started the war. Hitler was obviously lying for he has been enacting anti- jewish law and preparing for wars from years before. Major right wings of Japan, probably have tendency to support war more than the left wings do, and they probably believe somebody who can die for Japan is better than who cannot, but at least for today, I think they are being honest in saying that the peace is much better than the war for they know the damage the war has inflicted on japan.
            criticizing yasukuni is ok if korea wants to, but if there are too much rude or pointless criticism toward japan, that I believe is going to not hurt or decrease right wings in Japan but instead going to increase them( for they seem to be increasing recently). That’s what I feel. But by talking with some korean here I also felt some of them are really ready to forgive japan if japan does necessary things which gives me a hope.

          • Chiara

            I think it has
            become clear by now that I am an ardent admirer of the present tenno
            and, also, of the togu, not because they are the emperor and the
            crown prince but because who they are as individuals. It seems to me
            that they both have succeeded in combining Japanese traditions with
            modern ideas about democracy and human rights and that they are
            setting an example that would be good for the Japanese to follow.
            But, unfortunately, Emperor Akihito as well as Crown Prince Naruhito
            are willfully misunderstood by the ultraright and more or less
            ignored by the rest of the nation. If you think that it is up to
            everybody to decide for themselves what Yasukuni means to them
            individually, you should not be surprised that, as a consequence,
            other Asian nations will distrust Japan. To feel yourself the victim
            of undeserved dislike will not help matters. The emperor and the
            crown prince clearly understand that. The way in which some Japanese
            advocate that Japan’s tradition is allegedly superior to other
            nations IS, in fact, racist, and it is hard to understand that they
            would be surprised that this stance does not gain them any sympathies
            internationally.

            A foreigner who
            teaches at a college wrote the following story (easy to find via
            Google):

            “While pointing
            out to [Japanese] college English students that a local club in
            Kagoshima, Japan refused entrance to a British acquaintance of mine
            on grounds that only Japanese are allowed entrance, I asked if they
            thought this was a problem. One student said, “No, it’s not a big
            problem in Japan.” I then asked if a law should prohibit it. Same
            student: “No, because it almost never happens.” I then asked the
            same student, who had been to Hawaii on our exchange program, how she
            would feel if she had been held back from an establishment in Waikiki
            because she does not “look American” (uh-hum). She immediately
            said she would be mad. “Should there be a law against it?,” I
            pursued. “Yes, it’s unfair.” It was as if the student had not
            blinked once in making those two responses within a single minute.
            Should I be shocked that people embrace a double standard that openly
            and thoughtlessly?”

            I do not know if
            this teacher should be shocked or not. But I do know for sure that by
            the way of thinking that this young student so innocently expressed
            you won´t get yourself many friends.

          • djwe kodow

            I think it is basically left for each person to decide whether they visit yasukuni or not. If you are talking about legistlating law to ban them from visiting yasukuni that’s not a realistic option. But you can argue about politicians because foreign policy comes to matter for them. There are famous rightist intellectuals who visit yasukuni, but as i said they are not praising war or imperialism. Yasukuni is also a famous place for cherry blossoms which is beautiful and many visit to watch cherry blossoms for that I think you will find no problem.
            As I repeatedly say, many of these critics seems to criticise visitors of yasukuni withou knowing much about what they are thinking and, looks at visitors of yasukuni as an evil imperialists or war lovers, but that’s not true(especially the famous intellectuals or politicians who visit there). That is the main thing I wanted to say about yasukuni. It’s ok to criticize yasukuni but I want critics to know more about it( I admit I have insufficient knowledge compared to the expert).
            I think you are right about racism. I have looked up and knew that thinking that culture of certain group is better than the other is racism I admit my mistake. I don’t support right wings views personally that japanese traditon is superior, but if I were to speak up for them, for there is nobody who does that here, I think they are trying to counter argue to left wings who say japanese tradition of shinto or emperor is a bad thing because it caused such a horrible war. That cannot justify looking down on other nations tradition or culture, but you have to understand that some left wings do bring down emperor system of japan as if it is an evil thing( but this kind of criticism is not famous today). This is probably the background of rightis claim about tradition. And I don’t think they are saying that for foreigner but mainly for japanese. for their main intent of saying this is to make japanese recognize their traidition is actually not a bad thing as left wings claim but something Japanese can be proud of( as many nations have pride in their cultures). Obviously they know it’s not gonna make foreigners feel good(I am japanese and I don’t feel good either to be honest.). I have to say again that it’s some of right wings who claim this, and not all. I wanted to be fair so I mentioned their argument.
            About the example you give, I also think that’s a double standard. If you are trying to say that I am using double standards, please point out exactly which part and that helps me a lot, for maybe I am confusing or misunderstanding something( to be honest I am getting tired writng long posts). I am saying politicians visiting yasukuni is not good concerning foreing policy, and it’s ok to criticize them if you want, but just wanted critics to know more about who they are criticizing about. I tell you these politicians are criticized by many left wings in japan and most japanese seldom visit yasukuni, but please tell me if there is any major intellectuals in korea who is criticizing korean president’s rude comment toward the emperor. I am sad there seems to be almost no criticism toward his comment in korea.( you were criticizing that, and I feel thankful for that) .If there is misunderstanding about comment then Japanese people should know.
            Also if I were to speak up for that student in the story, she was just being careless(just like some of my comments here might be contradicitng which I did not do on purpose). It would be fair to say that if somebody explains to her that she is actually using double standard by saing these thing, and if she still denies that fact, then the student is really using double standard willfully, which is unfair. About racism issue in japan I won’t elaborate here because major racism in japan has little to do with rightist ideology.

          • Dan

            @google-9fbe3c06eac959271bc90cd22fa497af:disqus

            The majority of Korean people think that our president went to too far. You can read this sentiment in every Korean newspaper. However, at the same time, Japanese people and Japanese politicians need to see things between the lines of our presidents words. This is what our president wanted to say, at least this is how I understand our president.

            1. All people (or at leas all Korean people) know that former Japanese emperor Hirohito was primarily responsible for the Japanese imperialism as the head of imperial Japan. Period.
            2. At the same time, we Korean people know East Asian way of thinking, thus we are ready to accept the arrangement that all bad things were committed by those unruly lower creatures including Hideki Tojo as long as current Japanese act appropriately.
            3. The current Japanese policies and politicians, however, are betraying this arrangement by (1) openly declaring and teaching Dokto islet as theirs since 2002, (it’s like opening Pandora’s box) (2) repeatedly visiting Yasukuni shrine since then (Koizumi Junichiro, Abe Shinzo to name a few), and (3) refusing to deal with forced sex slaves for imperial army before too late (most of them died and only a few left now).

            Basically, what our president was saying was that:
            if Japanese politicians can’t handle these problems, probably Japanese emperor should step in and put things in order. Of course, our president knows that Japanese emperor can’t meddle with politics, thus what our president was saying was current Japanese government does not handle things properly, it will break the arrangement and the emperor should face the burden.

            If Japanese can’t see this obvious message between the lines, well, I don’t know what to do.

          • Dan

            [Correction of few words]
            Of course, our president knows that Japanese emperor can’t meddle with politics under the current Japanese constitution. What our president was trying to say was that if current Japanese government does not handle things properly, the silent arrangement among East Asian nations on the responsibility of the emperor will be broken and the emperor might have to face the burden of the past all by himself.

          • djwe kodow

            I appreciate your explanation of how things are received in korea.
            One thing I really want to know about korea is how most people are thinking about senkaku issue. Maybe they don’t care or know. But China has been teaching until 1970 when resources were found under senkakus, that senkakus are japanese territory. Then China suddenly changed their attitude in 1970 and claimed for senakakus making map that shows senakakus as their territory and they started teaching that so in China. It’s not the same but kind of similar with korea and Japan about Liancourt Rocks(I will say LR). Japan tried to keep good relationship with China by signing treaty of peace and friend ship with china in 1978 and I believe most people in Japan didn’t care what China was claiming. Probably china will not bring the case to the ICJ for they know they haven’t got enough evidence to win. Japanese people did not hate or enrage toward china until recently, when China has sent in fishing ship that crushed itself into Japan Coast Guard ship that tried to prevent landing of senkakus. The fishinship forcefully landed on senkakus. I want to know how korean people feel with the way Japan dealt with china after 1970.
            I do not know if there is special sentiment related to LR or dokdo but, looking at senakakus and LR, korea seems to amplify things and see it as a huge problem. Tell me if I am wrong but maybe they already had bad impression about Japan that things gets amplified.

          • Dan

            @google-9fbe3c06eac959271bc90cd22fa497af:disqus

            Most people want current border as the permanent border, i.e. as Senkaku and Dokdo islands not as Diaoyu and Takeshima islands. For Kuril islands, people have only a vague idea that Russian captured rightfully Japanese islands, thus should return.

            As I wrote before, there was a sort of agreement on Dokdo island between Korea and Japan, i.e. let’s not make big deal out of it. Things worked more or less well. But then, in 2002, Japanese government decided to teach their children that Dokdo is theirs. Japanese Defense white paper also begin claim openly that Dokdo is theirs. Since then, things are getting worse.

            You may think that Korea takes this too seriously. Indeed, Dokdo is deeply connected with the sequence of events that led to the colonization of Korea to Japan and it is impossible not to react strongly. Here’s the sequence.

            In 1904, Japan practically removed Korea’s right to make any foreign policy. Korea is under virtual colony of Japan.

            In 1905 (Jan), Japan included Dokdo as theirs. As a virtual colony of Japan, Korea cannot make any issue out of it internationally.

            In 1905 (Nov), Japan forced to sign the second Korea-Japan treaty (乙巳勒約), which effectively get rid of Korean government.

            In 1910, Japan officially included Korea as their colony.

            Many Korean suspect that Japan re-initiated this sequence in 2002.

          • djwe kodow

            It’s interesting to know what people are thinking in korea. Feel thankful if they are supporting Japan for senkaku issue.
            I have few things to say. First, Japan is not re-initiating the sequence of early 1900′s. At least most Japanese are never thinking that way and I think that is true with politicians( I even wonder if there is any politician thinking that way.). You know that Japan has been restricting freedom of foreing policy of korea in 1904~1905, and nobody in Japan as far as I know, wants to do that or colonize Korea, if you say that in Japan, you are considered out of mind, for I haven’t heard even fairly radical intellectual rightist say so. In fact most people in Japan do not know korea is feeling that way, and that makes Japan see korea as if korea is being hysterical in reaction to small things, which is making relationship worse ( for, I think, most Japanese are expecting attitude that Japan took toward china regarding senkakus).

            Maybe koreans are feeling that way because most people’s image of korea is influenced strongly by the image of imperial japan in the past. Most Japanese on the other hand has been looking at korea as if korea is like Japan today which has no special sentiment toward senkakus, and surprised by the emotional reacions from korea.
            Second. It might be impossible for korea to take LR issue less seriously. But consider for example, what will happen if Japan has been strong anti-communist nation like the US during cold war. I know its ridiculous, but let’s say Japan has been teaching that communism is evil, to distract criticism toward Japanese gov from Japanese. People are thinking China ruled by communist party is dangerous for china is ready to take over democratic japan(just like the US feared soviet). Many medias are telling how evil things china have done. And Japan is saying they should never allow china to take senkakus for loss of senkaku means first step to defeat of democracy and many people believed that. If this is true in Japan, Japanese people will be enraged if China started claiming over senkakus, saying china is coming to take over democracy in japan, we should fight back. If that is so, China and Japan’s relationship could have been much worse than it is today. It is true that communist party in china is doing bad things that most democratic nations don’t do, but stirring up the anti-communist sentiment too much does not necessarily help solve the territorial issue or make relationship better.
            I believe some things are similar with Japan and korea relationship. Some of the radical anti- japan sentiment is unnecessary in either solving historical issue or making better relationship. When Korean gov acts in strong anti-Japan way, it might gain popularity in Japan as long as it gains sympathy from ordinary Japanese people. But if korean gov goes too far, it actually empowers right wings in Japan.
            It’s ok to criticize Japan with proper criticism calmly, but every time radical emotional anti-Japanese action is taken, it stirs up nationalism and increases right wingers of Japan. And I don’t like that either. Some japanese are feeling, they cannot do anything against korea without enraging them, and that is irritating those people and causing increase of right wingers(some of them believe Japan is not taking over korea but has enough evidence to claim territory over LR according to the Intl law, much more than China has on senkakus. And China is doing those violent thing to Japan and doing anti-Japan actions but Japan is not allowed to even make a claim for LR.)
            Majority of opinion in Japan is that visitig of LR by president was not enough to make Japanese gov bring case to the ICJ but the rude comment following the visit crossed the line even if Japan has done bad things in the past(such as visiting yasukuni). If presidet had been calm he wouldn’t have said such a thing and Japan would not have brought the case to ICJ. Similar thing is true with senkakus, for if those violent fishing ships had not come, most Japanese didn’t care about senakaku, and Ishihara would not have made effort to purchase senkakus.
            Japan has faults but I also want korea to calm down more. That’s what I felt for that will help both natons.

          • djwe kodow

            It’s interesting to know what people are thinking in korea. Feel thankful if they are supporting Japan for senkaku issue.
            I have few things to say. First, Japan is not re-initiating the sequence of early 1900′s. At least most Japanese are never thinking that way and I think that is true with politicians( I even wonder if there is any politician thinking that way.). You know that Japan has been restricting freedom of foreing policy of korea in 1904~1905, and nobody in Japan as far as I know, wants to do that or colonize Korea, if you say that in Japan, you are considered out of mind, for I haven’t heard even fairly radical intellectual rightist say so. In fact most people in Japan do not know korea is feeling that way, and that makes Japan see korea as if korea is being hysterical in reaction to small things, which is making relationship worse ( for, I think, most Japanese are expecting attitude that Japan took toward china regarding senkakus).

            Maybe koreans are feeling that way because most people’s image of korea is influenced strongly by the image of imperial japan in the past. Most Japanese on the other hand has been looking at korea as if korea is like Japan today which has no special sentiment toward senkakus, and surprised by the emotional reacions from korea.
            Second. It might be impossible for korea to take LR issue less seriously. But consider for example, what will happen if Japan has been strong anti-communist nation like the US during cold war. I know its ridiculous, but let’s say Japan has been teaching that communism is evil, to distract criticism toward Japanese gov from Japanese. People are thinking China ruled by communist party is dangerous for china is ready to take over democratic japan(just like the US feared soviet). Many medias are telling how evil things china have done. And Japan is saying they should never allow china to take senkakus for loss of senkaku means first step to defeat of democracy and many people believed that. If this is true in Japan, Japanese people will be enraged if China started claiming over senkakus, saying china is coming to take over democracy in japan, we should fight back. If that is so, China and Japan’s relationship could have been much worse than it is today. It is true that communist party in china is doing bad things that most democratic nations don’t do, but stirring up the anti-communist sentiment too much does not necessarily help solve the territorial issue or make relationship better.
            I believe some things are similar with Japan and korea relationship. Some of the radical anti- japan sentiment is unnecessary in either solving historical issue or making better relationship. When Korean gov acts in strong anti-Japan way, it might gain popularity in Japan as long as it gains sympathy from ordinary Japanese people. But if korean gov goes too far, it actually empowers right wings in Japan.
            It’s ok to criticize Japan with proper criticism calmly, but every time radical emotional anti-Japanese action is taken, it stirs up nationalism and increases right wingers of Japan. And I don’t like that either. Some japanese are feeling, they cannot do anything against korea without enraging them, and that is irritating those people and causing increase of right wingers(some of them believe Japan is not taking over korea but has enough evidence to claim territory over LR according to the Intl law, much more than China has on senkakus. And China is doing those violent thing to Japan and doing anti-Japan actions but Japan is not allowed to even make a claim for LR.)
            Majority of opinion in Japan is that visitig of LR by president was not enough to make Japanese gov bring case to the ICJ but the rude comment following the visit crossed the line even if Japan has done bad things in the past(such as visiting yasukuni). If presidet had been calm he wouldn’t have said such a thing and Japan would not have brought the case to ICJ. Similar thing is true with senkakus, for if those violent fishing ships had not come, most Japanese didn’t care about senakaku, and Ishihara would not have made effort to purchase senkakus.
            Japan has faults but I also want korea to calm down more. That’s what I felt for that will help both natons.

          • Dan

            @google-9fbe3c06eac959271bc90cd22fa497af:disqus

            I agree that both parties should be calm down and behave wisely in a way that help both nations co-prosper. I sincerely hope that two nations put aside the past and do things together for the better future. I sincerely hope that two nations have statemen who have courage and wisdom to steer two nations into co-prosperity. After all, Korean and Japanese are only two people on the earth who can distinguish several different types of Nori (Kim in Korean).

          • djwe kodow

            “I sincerely hope that two nations put aside the past and do things together for the better future.”
            I also hope and believe that will come some time in the future.
            One of my family likes koean nori.

          • Chiara

            What, for example, seems contradictory to me, is that, on one hand, you thank Dan for believing the emperor to have been sincere in his apology. On the other hand, you say that, in his decision to not visit Yasukuni the emperor might be influenced by “foreign policy”. Which obviously translates into: he is not really being sincere but making a political decision. In my opinion, you cannot have both. Either the emperor is sincere or he is not. I believe the first, you are, of course, free to believe or maintain the second. But if you always say what happens to fit best into your argumentation of the moment, you reduce your credibility.

            You have repeatedly said that you “don’t want to whitewash any war crimes, real war crimes should never be repeated again and should be punished”. But, you see, EVERYBODY would say that. Japanese ultranationalists would say that, George W. Bush would say that, even Hitler would say that. I think this is a sentence that probably we all could agree upon. The problems start when we try to define what a “real war crime” is. It is at this point where Neo-Nazis will start to argue if it were really 6 million Jews who were murdered or maybe but 4 million and try to describe an alleged international conspiracy that leads to evil historians manipulating figures until your head is spinning and you forget that whether 6 million, 4 million or even 1 million, it is mass murder anyway. And that is where a Japanese professor will claim that the testimony of a woman who watched her mother and sister die when she was but 8 years is, unfortunately, too “one-sided”. There are
            many international sources about Nanjing. Neither of the two sources I happened to mention was Chinese.

          • djwe kodow

            I have replied to you about this in other post, please look at that

        • Chiara

          @ djwe kodow

          You make it sound as if people who protest against Yasukuni shrine
          are simply being misinformed about its purpose and do not know too
          much about Japanese culture. In fact, the Showa Emperor, Hirohito,
          himself stopped visiting Yasukuni shrine because of displeasure over
          its 1978 enshrinement of top war criminals. The Showa Emperor had
          made visits to the shrine before as long as it had the character of a
          mere shrine for the war dead. But he stopped visiting Yasukuni Shrine
          after his eighth trip in 1975, after it was revealed to him that the
          remains of class-A war criminals had secretly been transferred to the
          shrine after its post war rededication.

          Hirohito´s boycott has been maintained
          by his son Akihito, who has also refused to attend Yasukuni. Akihito
          has taken great pains in remembering the souls of war victims of
          Japanese and other nations and traveled far and wide to pray at war
          memorials. But he has carefully kept away from Yasukuni shrine even
          though it is located in the very city where the imperial palace is
          (Tokyo, of course).

          I hope you are not going to tell me now
          that the late Showa emperor and the Heisei emperor (Akihito) have
          been misinformed about Japanese culture and the rites of Shinto…

          The people who led the Nuremberg Trials
          were, all in all, doing a great job under difficult circumstances.
          While from a formal point of view it will certainly be always
          debatable if a court can make decisions based on ex post facto law,
          the fact still remains that Germany had signed existing international
          agreements that made aggressive war and certain wartime actions
          unlawful, such as the Kellogg-Briand Pact, the Covenant of the League
          of Nations, and the Hague Conventions.

          In any case, you would find
          today no leading German politician who would criticize Nuremberg
          Trials as “victor´s justice”. Horrendous crimes had been
          committed, and it was also in the long-term interest of the Germans
          themselves that they be examined and punished. Please do not try to
          find allies in the Germany of today in your attempt to whitewash
          Japan´s wartime past. You won´t find any, except among Neo-Nazis
          (who, of course, exist but are marginalized).

        • Chiara

          @ djwe kodow

          You make it sound as if people who protest against Yasukuni shrine are simply being misinformed about its purpose and do not know too much about Japanese culture. In fact, the Showa Emperor, Hirohito, himself stopped visiting Yasukuni shrine because of displeasure over its 1978 enshrinement of top war criminals. The Showa Emperor had made visits to the shrine before as long as it had the character of a mere shrine for the war dead. But he stopped visiting Yasukuni Shrine after his eighth trip in 1975, after it was revealed to him that the remains of class-A war criminals had secretly been transferred to the shrine after its post war rededication.

          Hirohito´s boycott has been maintained by his son Akihito, who has also refused to attend Yasukuni. Akihito has taken great pains in remembering the souls of war victims of Japanese and other nations and traveled far and wide to pray at war memorials. But he has carefully kept away from Yasukuni shrine even though it is located in the very city where the imperial palace is (Tokyo, of course).
          I hope you are not going to tell me now that the late Showa emperor and the Heisei emperor (Akihito) have been misinformed about Japanese culture and the rites of Shinto…

          The people who led the Nuremberg Trials were, all in all, doing a great job under difficult circumstances. While from a formal point of view it will certainly be always debatable if a court can make decisions based on ex post facto law, the fact still remains that Germany had signed existing international agreements that made aggressive war and certain wartime actions unlawful, such as the Kellogg-Briand Pact, the Covenant of the League of Nations, and the Hague Conventions. In any case, you would find today no leading German politician who would criticize Nuremberg Trials as “victor´s justice”. Horrendous crimes had been committed, and it was also in the long-term interest of the Germans themselves that they be examined and punished. Please do not try to
          find allies in the Germany of today in what seems to me an attempt to whitewash Japan´s wartime past. You won´t find any, except among Neo-Nazis (who, of course, exist but are marginalized).

          • djwe kodow

            Emperor hirohito stopped visiting yasukuni and there is no clear evidence but it is said that he felt displeasure of enshrinement of war criminals. I think that was true. Same might be true with the emperor today though he does not mention it. Yasukuni visitors who does not know war criminals are enshrined, might stop visiting if they are taught about that, but others might keep on visiting even after they know it. That is a very usual thing, for people feel and think the different way. It is just that what yasukuni visitors are thinking is convincing enough to make, not all but some, people to visit yasukuni even though they know war criminals are there, and I think the problem is whether their thought is acceptable or not.(in terms of foreign policy it might be true that politicians visiting are making wrong choices). For the emperor today I think he has displeasure of yasukuni but also foreign policy might be influencing his action.

            It might be true that people involved in nuremberg trial did their best, but it is also true that the trial was simply unfair. for war crimes (some of crime against peace and many of crime against humanity) of allied nations were never questioned there, and seldom questioned elsewhere. Because unreliable witnesses and evidences have been used maybe some germans were punished for things they could not do anything(I believe similar things could have happened in Tokyo trial or trial of BC criminals).
            About treaties you mentioned, to be honest, I did not know much about these, and it was suggestive. Kellogg-Briand Pact seems to ban invasion but there were no clear cut definiton of invasion or self defense war included, and how to define them was up to each nation (and things might be similar even today if you look at US attack on Iraq). Allied forces like uk, did not ban all the wars in foreign land in Kellogg-Briand Pact, they said they will fight if UK’s benefit needed to be protected in foreign land and who knows what that means. That is why right wings say that it was a war of self defense and punishing for starting self defense war is unfair. it is possible to criticize these leaders for prolonging the war and causing thousands of japanese casualties in okinawa hiroshima and so on but that was not considered as a war crime.
            It might be a kind of nit picking but Richard von Weizsäcker(former president) said in his book, “From weimar to the wall (english version published in 1999)”, about the case he worked as a laywer for his father who was accused and found guilty for war crimes in the trail. and in that book he says that nazi atrocities were horrible but also mentions the US judges had prejudice toward germans and also says his father was actually trying his best from inside to stop the war and stop holocaust but failed. and Weizsäcker says his father was accuesed for starting the war and not stopping the holocaust which is so untrue. But other than that I think you are right that German politicians today almost never criticize the trial. But it’s also true than in the 50′s many german politicians criticized the trials harshly and I beleive the trial deserved criticizm. The problem faded away and most germans today don’t even know the unfairness of trial probably because it was not related to any major issue there. It seems to me, in Japan the problem of unfairness of Tokyo trial keeps on coming back, mainly because it is related to on going Yasukuni issue.
            To avoid misunderstanding, I will stress that I don’t want to whitewash any war crimes, real war crimes should never be repeated again and should be punished. About war against peace, Personal opinion is that, even if that was a self defense war( if it wasn’t then there won’t be much problem), some leader taking responsibility would be better to make things work better, even if that means persecuting something not even a war crime. For it is true that prolonging the war caused tons of Japanese casualties.

          • Chiara

            Believe me, I know quite a
            lot about the crimes of the Nazis and the Nuremberg Trials, and they
            were NOT unfair, meaning that none of the people accused there got
            more than they justly deserved. One could even argue that one or the
            other got less. For example, Albert Speer, Minister of Armaments and
            War Production, was only sentenced to imprisonment because he
            successfully made the court believe that he did not know about the
            Holocaust (meaning he did allegedly not know that Jews were
            systematically being killed). Later, it was learned that he had been
            present when Himmler told the Nazi elite about the mass murder. So,
            Speer obviously knew perfectly well what was happening. If this had
            been known at the time of the trials, Speer would probably have been
            sentenced to death. I am not complaining that he was not, mind you, I
            just think it a good example for the fact that human jurisdiction can
            never aspire to realizing complete, absolute justice. There will
            always be people who get less than they justly deserve, and others
            will get more. That is how it is. Still, I do not think that anybody
            would ever want to abolish laws and courts just because they are not
            perfect.

            Besides, the accused at
            the Nuremberg Trials, not surprisingly, pleaded that they could not
            have acted differently than they did. (Even Göring said that which I
            probably need not comment any further…) I think it is obvious that
            this is not necessarily true. I know for example the story of one
            doctor who was a member of the SS and was brought to a concentration
            camp to select inmates for either execution or slave labor. He was a
            member of the SS, mind you, but he refused to do the work assigned to
            him. Nothing bad happened to him. In many cases, people who refused
            to collaborate did have to face inconvenient consequences regarding
            their professional career. But, after the war, they would plead that
            their very lives were at stake – as it obviously sounded better than
            to admit that they had participated in murder because they were
            afraid to forgo a salary raise…

            I agree with you that some
            of the actions of the Allies could have been brought to court, too –
            although I would have to insist that no nation committed such an
            atrocious crime as the Holocaust. (This is even more so as the
            Holocaust was NO war crime – in fact, there were resources used to
            keep the Holocaust going that could have been used for the war, that
            means the Holocaust, in many respects, did not serve any war purposes
            but rather interfered with them. Besides, there was, also in Nazi
            Germany, no law that would have justified mass murder. So what
            happened WAS in fact against the law and a crime, even in Nazi
            Germany.) But leaving this aside, I admit there may have been actions
            by the Allied Forces during World War II that might have been
            examined and put to trial. (I also agree that the US attack on Iraque
            was against international law. I´d vote any day for accusing the
            politicians who bore responsibility for it if anybody asked me –
            which, of course, nobody does.) Still, this is nothing to the purpose
            here. I do not think that this could serve in any way as an argument
            against the Nuremberg or the Tokyo Trials. It is clear that we will
            never be able to bring literally every criminal to justice. Does
            this mean that those you find and capture should go free because
            otherwise it would be “unfair”? Punish nobody because you cannot
            punish all? Hardly.

            I am sorry to say this but
            the problem I have with your argumentation overall is that you mix up
            things that, at first sight or if you do not know much about the
            issue, seem connected, but in fact they are not, and so you –
            intentionally or not – constantly cause confusion. We have been
            talking about the Nuremberg Trials, and now you start with
            Weizsäcker´s father. Ernst von Weizsäcker was NOT accused at the
            Nuremberg Trials, and I was talking specifically about the Nuremberg
            Trials when I said that they were fair. At the Nuremberg Trials there
            were the “class A criminals”, so to speak, and this is what the
            controversy regarding Yasukuni is also about. Besides, Weizsäcker
            was sentenced at first but soon set free. He was one of the examples
            where someone got more than he deserved. But there were many more
            examples of people who got LESS than they deserved. One of them, a
            former Nazi party member, got even to be German chancellor in the
            sixties. Lots of “class B, C and D” Nazis, so to speak, were in
            important positions, in politics, administration and politics during
            the fifties and sixties. That is one of the reasons, incidentally,
            why the German student movement of the 1960s was so urgently needed.
            This is also the answer why the fact that German politicians of the
            fifties spoke of “victor´s justice” is hardly surprising and
            nothing that should influence your view of these things.

            I am not saying that the
            members of the Allied Forces who launched the program of
            denazification actually understood in detail what had happened in the
            country. How could they? But the point is that if you carefully read
            what Germans belonging to various groups have said about
            responsibility you will always find that those who committed the most
            horrible crimes (or rather: forced others to commit them which was
            often the case) usually plead that they are innocent and had no
            choice. On the other hand, there are people like Freya von Moltke
            whose husband was a German jurist who, as a draftee in the German
            Abwehr, acted to subvert German human-rights abuses of people in
            territories occupied by Germany. The Nazi government executed von
            Moltke for treason, he having discussed with the Kreisau Circle group
            the prospects for a Germany based on moral and democratic principles
            that could develop after Hitler. Freya von Moltke had been informed
            of her husband´s activities and had staunchly supported him. But
            after the war, she clearly said that she as a German certainly felt
            some heavy responsibility because of the horrendous crimes that had
            been committed also in her name.

            You see, the perpetrators
            will always make excuses, this is the same in Germany and Japan. You
            should not believe them. Germans today refrain from criticizing the
            Nuremberg Trials not because they know nothing about them but because
            they know a lot about them. In fact, the way you argue is absolutely
            familiar to me because this mixture of veiling, excuses, straying off
            topic, and, if all else fails, flat denial of what actually took
            place is absolutely typical for how Nazi perpetrators spoke after the
            war about what they had done. I have read many of their memoirs in
            the original, so I should know. Excuse me for saying that. You may
            think this a very doubtful compliment but it actually is one. In
            fact, I have been thinking this since I have read you first post
            here, and I did not mention it before because I thought you aware of
            it and because I thought that it was your conscious intention to
            confuse and mislead people. But now I have come to ask myself if this
            is really true. Maybe you are trying to find out more but always get
            to read that sort of lulling, suggestive argumentation of people who
            are resolved to defend the perpetrators. I know how convincing they
            can be. In my opinion the only cure in such a case is to take a
            closer look at documents, for example (both sources to be found
            online):

            Modern History Sourcebook: The Nanking Massacre, 1937: The
            Japanese occupation of Nanking, the capital of the Republic of China,
            lead to one of the greatest horrors of the century . This eyewitness
            report was filed by a New York Times reporter. From
            F. Tillman, “All Captives Slain,” The New York Times, December
            18, 1937, pp. 1, 10.

            or Why does Japan STILL refuse to face
            up to the atrocity its army revelled in? Two new films have reopened
            old wounds about the Nanking Massacre, By Jasper Rees, Dailymail 28
            April 2010 :

            “Ten years ago, a Nanking survivor – who was
            eight when she saw seven family members murdered and heard her mother
            and sister being raped and then killed – sued two Japanese authors
            and their publisher for allegedly distorting the truth about the
            event. Hiding under a quilt, she had been stabbed three times. She
            bore witness at the war crimes tribunal in 1945. And yet one of the
            writers, a professor, said in an interview that there was ‘no
            record’ proving the massacre had taken place.”

            That is what Mr Hashimoto does, too, what Mr
            Ishihara does, what Ms. Sakurai does: even when faced with
            overwhelming evidence, they simply will say they do not believe it
            and that there is “no proof”. If you WANT to know and search for
            evidence, you will find it. But nobody can force someone to open his
            eyes if he prefers to keep them closed.

          • djwe kodow

            you certainly seem to know much more about nuremberg trial than I do. But i say again exact same words “To avoid misunderstanding, I will stress that I don’t want to whitewash any war crimes, real war crimes should never be repeated again and should be punished.” that’s my opinion. I say again that I do not support right wings completely but even right wings(intellectuals and politicians) allow especially BC criminals to be punished. Some of them say, some trials of BC war crimes were unfair but their lives were compensation for atrocities done to foreing nations. I personally believe there were innocent japanese soldiers punished but also there are many soldiers who escaped trial eventhough they have committed atrocities who should be punished. It’s my fault in confusing things up but the main argument of rightist is with class A war criminal in the tokyo trial, that they feel those criminals have been punished for waging self defense war.
            I agree with you holocaust was actually not a war crime, for the victims included many germans.
            I admit I might be mixing things up. and mainly that is because you are making good points to my comment which I am thankful for. For I am not writing here to tell lies correcting me is welcome. I knew Weizsäcker´s father was not accused in the original nuremberg trial but in the subsequent nuremberg trials but I believe if things were bad in the subsequent nuremberg trials as Weizsäcker says, it is unusual to expect things to be better in the original one, and also, you probably won’t say criticizing subsequent trials is ok but criticizing the original trial is not ok. If you are saying not criticizing trial shows repentance, they should not criticize both trials.
            I know the crime of nazi crime is in memory of germans for sure but do most germans really know how the trial was unfair? you mean the ordinary people and not the professionals of law? If that’s really true then I had misunderstandings and I apologize.
            you say I am revisionist who tries to whitewash atrocities in history, but I say this many times but that is not true. I will accept anything, any shameful event that japan did if that is obvious. I am saying that from my heart. I am criticizing right wings for thinking too little about atrocities japan has committed. They do not deny obvious atrocites but they tend to overlook atrocites, which is an attitude I don’t like. I believe what really stops people from war remembering how awful the war was.

            You bring up nanaking issue, and it is very controversial. People argue about it and I don’t want to say much about it, because I am sorry I do not know the details of arguments about nanking
            But I know that even right wings usually admit there were killings of certain numbers. Most people usually disagree on numbers or whether there was military command or not, but most says what chinese government claims for casualties is unrealistic. notorious Ms sakurai says she believes there were some killings of chinese civilians but she doubts whether it has been done by military command, she believes individuals soldiers did killing by their own decision. I don’t know if that is true but she will not deny many of the other horrible war crimes japanese soldiers did. But I won’t go further into nanking argument for it seems even more complicated than sex slave argument.
            There is really lots of argument going on based on evidences and i don’t think arguing, if its done in the right way, is bad. I think revisionist who distorts history and people who are honestly arguing can be distinguished by their firmness of ground they stand on(such as reliability of evidences and logics)if you really take a close look at them(sometimes even left wings make up history to criticze right wings and that really happens. I like the liberal idea of left wings but not all left wings are honest). For nanking I am not sure sorry but I belive there must be killings of chinese but accurate numbers, I can’t say. In fact if there is really that much casualties as chinese claim, I will admit that and repent and feel sorry for chinese. Please don’t think people who are arguing about nanking is arguing from nothing because your source of information might be too one sided. But I feel sorry for chinese really killed there and that I promise.

          • Chiara

            You say: “I knew
            Weizsäcker´s father was not accused in the original nuremberg trial
            but in the subsequent nuremberg trials but I believe if things were
            bad in the subsequent nuremberg trials as Weizsäcker says, it is
            unusual to expect things to be better in the original one, and also,
            you probably won’t say criticizing subsequent trials is ok but
            criticizing the original trial is not ok. If you are saying not
            criticizing trial shows repentance, they should not criticize both
            trials.“

            I actually can and
            do criticize much of the jurisdiction that took place after World War
            II. This concerns the Allies as well as the German courts. (By the
            way, I apologize for not having been clear before: when I speak in a
            general context about “the Nuremberg Trials” I always have in
            mind the initial ones because, according to my experience, that is
            what most people know and what stands out most. Sorry for that.) When
            I am saying that the original Nuremberg Trials were a good job then
            it is not because I think it is necessary to tell lies to show
            repentance but because I have closely examined how they proceeded and
            what the results were, and I have come to the conclusion that they
            did basically a good job. And where I do not find that there was a
            good job done as with many cases of denazification as well as with
            many verdicts of German courts, I will say that, too. Basically, you
            can say that in many cases the Allies did not really know what they
            were dealing with and who was to be believed and who not, they were
            simply lacking in expertise (not surprisingly). As for the German
            courts, they were in many cases still prejudiced in favour of the
            Nazis which means that they were often much too soft.

            But the point
            remains that I wanted to make when I quoted Freya von Moltke:
            perpetrators hardly ever will admit that they are guilty. After the
            former commandant of Auschwitz was taken prisoner by the US forces,
            he was beaten by some of the soldiers which he mentioned with
            indignation (and without the slightest tinge of self-consciousness)
            in his written testimony afterward. Of course, it is clearly not
            correct to beat a prisoner whoever he may be. But Höß´ captors
            knew who he was and that he was responsible for horrendous mass
            murder. He himself said: “I commanded Auschwitz until 1 December
            1943, and estimate that at least 2,500,000 victims were executed and
            exterminated there by gassing and burning, and at least another half
            million succumbed to starvation and disease, making a total dead of
            about 3,000,000.“ Not to mention all those who were tortured under
            his command.

            Even if Höß´
            captors were admittedly not behaving correctly, he could have
            thought, if even but for a short moment, that this was sort of a
            higher form of justice because he was now suffering himself but a
            very tiny little bit of what he had done to others. In German camps,
            prisoners had no rights at all. Still, Höß was full of intense
            indignation because of what had been done to him.

            What I want to say
            is that it is sort of a very cheap excuse to complain about unfair
            verdicts. This concerns, in particular, the people who had borne the
            highest responsibility as class A war criminals. It is improbable
            that the court´s decisions were just in all points. How could they
            be? But if you compare their flaws to the huge crimes that had been
            committed, it seems to me, that at least concerning the class A war
            criminals, in Germany as well as in Japan, a higher justice WAS
            indeed served.

            This means that, if
            those who visit Yasukuni are implicitly trying to say that the Tokyo
            Trials were unfair, they (and you) should not be surprised that other
            Asian nations are being enraged by these visits, as, for them, the
            Tokyo Trials represent a badly needed compensation. It may not be
            perfect but it is something. But if Japanese now say that even this
            imperfect bit of atonement was unfair, of course there will be an
            outcry. Not because other Asian countries do NOT understand but
            because they understand PERFECTLY WELL. Japan has to choose: you can
            acknowledge to be guilty and get peace and, after some time,
            forgiveness. Or else you can insist on your innocence and have
            conflict and maybe even war. You are free to choose as we all are.
            You will just have to pay the price.

          • djwe kodow

            Chiara I have replied to your two posts here.
            I thought your argument that there is higher justice and what german prisoners received is actually fair considering atrocities they have done to others(including german), is interesting. I believe that is true for Höß and many others who are really responsible for much atrocities.

            I don’t know much about german leaders but for japan, one way of thinking might be classifying Japanese class A war criminals in two group. Not all leaders of Japan pushed for the war, some of them knew, its almost impossible to win against the US. So there were those who pushed for the war, but there were some who were against starting the war and tried to end the war sooner but still found guilt for class A war crime. Latter people were found guilty virtually because they were in leading position of Japan imperial gov, and served and worked for gov during war just like Weizsäcker’s father, if what he is saying is true. I think there is nothing they could have done to prevent the war, for people pushing the war had more power( I could probably do nothing to prevent the war if I were one of Japanese leaders at that time, and it would be true with many people). it might be possible to criticize them for not resigning their jobs, but even if they had resigned things won’t have changed(or it might have gotten worse for some of those against the war worked to end the war sooner). For those who were against the war, I kind of sympathize with right wings that these people deserve to be enshrined. It is possible to argue further, that even those who are against the war should be punished, because Japan as a whole should take responsibility according to higher justice. but even if that is true, they have individually received their punishment(most of punishment they don’t deserve for themselves) and i feel its ok to enshrine those.

            For those who were pushing for the war like Tojo, rightists main argument would be it was a self defense war according to the Intl law at that time. I think that’s true to some extent. But if I bring higher justice here, and say, even if that was a self defense war, they are responsible for many people’s death. It’s ok to punish them even if its post facto law or even if the process was fair and they don’t deserve to be enshrined. I feel much better with this argumet here than the rightist argument, for as I repeatedly say, somebody had to take responsibility for the war( and I mentioned before but I was surprised right wing Ishihara had not the same but similar ideas).

            I do not know whether the first nuremberg trial was better than the subsequent ones, but I believe the nuremberg trials did good job in denazifying germany, much better than germans. I won’t deny that,I was saying simply that the process was unfair ,and unfair process worked to make probably innocent germans guilty. I am not defending tojo, and believes he should be punished but, surprisingly Tojo, instead of defending himself, tried to defend the emperor and said, not the emperor but tojo has the responsibility for starting the war. So not all class A war criminals lied in the tokyo trial to defend themselves. But I agree, usually people lie to escape punishment. The ones who really committed war crimes such as Höß, he deserves death penalty, no matter how unfair the trial is. And I say again, and you know it, but I don’t support visiting of yasukuni by politicians.

            For the point that you see I contradicting with my self. I still believe its both. Many japanese feel the emperor is good natured and peaceful person. And I believe the emperor is being sincere not visiting yasukuni, but I also believe he certainly knows visiting yasukuni will enrage korea and china and visiting will cause huge problem in foreign policy. I don’t know how he decided to not visit, whether he asked for adivce to others or not. But I believe he is being sincere, and at the same time I am pretty sure he is not innocent enough to never consider how it will damage foreign policy. these two does not contradict each other in my opinion.

            Japanese professors won’t necessarily deny that testimony unless that testimony has something unreliable with it(such as she started claiming it long after the war, or what she has beeing saying has changed over time, or her testimony contradicts with known facts such as, she did not have any sister or she did not live there), for most of them believe there have been killing by soldiers. For Holocaust, soviet claimed about 2.5million to 4million people got killed in Auschwitz(look at auschwits death toll in wikipedia), but soviet did not allow investigation of the concentration camp, and even though soviet’s claim to number of dead was seen with doubt, the memoirs at Aushwits showed that 4million people died. But in 1995 it was found to be wrong, and the numbers were changed to 1.1 million and that is widely accepted around the world now. Of course those who spoke up against soviet’s numbers were not trying to distort history for they had enough evidence. This fact is mentioned by neo nazis but those who said Holocaust was less harsh, less people died were criticized, maybe emotionally, but also academically and it is well know that this kind of argument has not enough evidence(as explained in the wikipedia).
            But the problem with nanking on the other hand that it seems it is too mixed up with ideology, left wing people tend to believe everything chinese government says. but no scholar in japan totally support chinese gov’s view( they believe it has serious lack of evidence scientifically.). Right wing people tend to say less number of casucalties. It’s simply a mess and I do not know how much people were killed to be honest. For holocaust whether the deads are 1.1 million or 4million, doesn’t matter in a sense that they are boss mass murder. But for nankings some claim numbers that is (the word might be inappropriate but)”trivial” compared to other war crimes in the war. THe other claim numbers that is big enough to require close look at nanking. I don’t know who is saying the truth(or nobody might be saying the whole truth) but I know there are many people killed. If you want to criticize people who say less casualties than chines gov, you should read their argument before criticizing them as scholars who does not see the truth( I don’t know much about their argument).

            you say even evil people claim they want peace. but I have also said for Hitler he was obviously lying, and was saying something he was not thinking in his heart. As I repeatedly say, right wingers have more tendecy to support war if something goes wrong, that is something I fear. But for me I hate wars, I probably hate wars more than many chinese(for many of them seem much more nationalistic and rightwing than what I am). I have tried to be fair through posts, I try to admit if things I have written are wrong, and I have mentioned arguments that i cannot agree with rightwings, and I tell you I can’t get along with rightwing’s ideology(neither with leftwings on some part though). still if you cannot trust me, sorry I think cannot do anything about it here. I some what see similarity in japanese extreme right wings and chinese and korean who are eager and violent in criticizing Japan. I understand calm criticism but those who are enraged and do violent things to Japan(like the one who run into japanese ambassador in korea with truck, or those who destroy japanese cars and japanese restaurants in china) they look like Japanese radical rightist in their action. They seem like people who can kill or hurt ordinary japanese for their nations. One thing that helped Japan and Germany to wage cruel war is this kind of nationalism that right wings have.

  • Dalsuh

    It will never happen but if the Yasukuni shrine is ever demolished, 50 years later the Japanese will say:
    1. Japan never had a Yasukuni shrine.
    2. There we no Class A war criminals.
    3. Japan wanted to destroy it but Koreans made us keep it so everyone hates us.
    4. Koreans went there too.
    5. Or some other fruity subterfuge.

  • Dalsuh

    The reason why the Korean-Japanese conflict still persists is because of Japanese justification. Even to this day, some Japanese believe that they were protecting Asia from Western imperialism eventhough other Asians nations have emphatically countered those lies. From a Japanese POV it might be true, but for the other Asian nations it was an invasion.

  • Dalsuh

    Adam Westlake=Japanese justifier.
    All the apologies from Japan are void because their government officials/politicians will deny the atrocities hours or days later.
    Your justifying the inaccuracies of Japanese textbooks as just being incompetent/outdated, but this is the same tactics used to dummy the American population on issues such as Reconstruction.
    I can go on and on about your justifications, people like you are the problem.

    You call them “nationalistic” but they are representative of Japan and Koreans see it.

    • TT

      Concerning Japan’s past apologies, they are issued by the officials “personally”, not by the state of Japan. The apologies always start “I”, not “We the state of Japan”. Accordingly, it is just that official issuing an apology, not the state of Japan.

      This is the difference between Japanese apologies with German and US apologies. The Japanese apology is where the official is making a personal apology, while the German and the US apologies are being made by the German Federation and the United States of America as whole.

      So not until Japan makes an apology as whole, Japan has not apologized.

      And this formal state apology and the acknowledgement of Japan’s crimes is important for Japan’s survival and prosperity for the next-generation, because Japan’s growing weaker and weaker while Japan’s enemies are growing more powerful and powerful. Nevermind China, Korea too is expected to become a bigger economy than Japan’s with only half the population by 2040 according to projections by the likes of Goldman Sachs and Citibank. Now having two more powerful nations as the sworn enemy of Japan doesn’t bod well for Japan’s future, so Japan has to resolve this history dispute now or Japan’s future generations pay for the sins of Japan’s past generations dearly.

  • Dalsuh

    When Koreans apologized to Vietnam for our war atrocities we didn’t later say:

    1. We were trying to protect you from communism.
    2. Your prostitues asked us for money.
    3. We helped modernize your nation after.
    4. The USA sent us there.

    We just said sorry and please forgive us and our redneck soldiers, let’s build a new relationship.

  • Dalsuh

    A perpatrator of a crime absolutely wants to forget previous atrocities.
    Only a conciense-stricken perpatrator will decide not to forget their previous atrocities.

  • Dalsuh

    Adam Westlake likes to dismiss Japanese atrocities and tries to tell us to move on but it still affects Koreans to this day.
    Most importantly, Japan’s looted wealth is the reason for their dominace in the world economy not their so called, “ingenuity, innovation, etc.” It’s through their looted hard assets(mainly gold) that Japan has grown economically. A direct correlation is the strength of the Japanese Yen, it’s because Japan has a nice hoard of gold & silver along with other pm’s. This is not my theory but a fact and it’s evident considering Japan’s prosperity even immediatley after the bombs.
    If I wasn’t drinking beer atm, I could own adam harder but his arguments are weak and he along with other ninjer’s will be exposed in this lifetime or thereafter.
    Btw, Adam spends most of his time in Japan. I have no paperwork to back this up but I’m sure it ‘s the truth.

    • OgonBat87

      Japan’s “ingenuity and innovation” to Industrialize their country in an incredibly short period of time, is what allowed them to take over Asia and loot it.

      There’s no doubt that the looted riches helped Japan re-establish themselves after the war, but you can’t deny their ingenuity, simply because your jealous of it and racist against Japan.

      That “so called” Japanese ingenuity you try to deny actually modernized Korea during the Colonial period as well. Japan introduced a set of expensive policy measures to modernize Korea. One important project was to improve infrastructure: railway lines were extended, and roads and harbors and communication networks were improved, which rapidly integrated goods and factor markets both nationally and internationally. Another project was a vigorous health campaign: the colonial government improved public hygiene, introduced modern medicine, and built hospitals.

      • Ichiban

        Hahaha! Honestly, I believe you represent the typical Japanese psyche which is the following: Ok, what we did was wrong, but we helped the Koreans (indirectly) become the first world nation that that they are today. Does Korea thanks us? No. But we don’t need thanks. Just give us Dokdo back, cause seriously, that’s the least you can do for all the industrial help we bequeathed to you during the colonial era…. yet, lets not dwell on the past and move forward. I feel sorry about comfort women but hey, there’s lots of women in the history of this world who were brutalized through war. Can’t we just move on? Come on, let’s have a drink, take a toke, close your eyes and go to sleep….a deep sleep….because while you’re sleeping, I’m going to your daughters room….

      • Premo

        Ogonbat’s revisionist drivel really seems to be the standard Japanese mindset regarding the colonization of Korea. All investments in infrastructure were explicitly built solely for the benefit of Japan and it’s war machine…period. And almost everything that was built was subsequently destroyed by the Korean War. The South Korea we know today was built by the blood, sweat and tears of her people and anyone who suggests that the benevolence of Imperial Japan was the catalyst for Korea’s current success is full of shit.

        • OgonBat87

          You missed my point ignoramus.

          Dalsuh suggested that “Japanese ingenuity” is a myth.
          I rebutted it with two points.

          1) Japan’s rapid industrialization period
          2) Japan’s building of infrastructure during the colonization of Korea.

          I never said or suggested that Japan was the catalyst for Korea’s current success you dumbass.

  • Dalsuh

    When you deconstruct atheism, it’s just justification for your sins/atrocities against God ultimately, which christians proclaim is inherent and atheist claim as myth.

  • Chiara

    For some reason two of my comments have disappeared. ??? Maybe sort of an internet black hole? I have never had such an experience before and find this very weird. I am even asking myself if they could have been deleted on purpose? But they have been neither obscene nor impolite, fairly clear as far as I can see, and I have even provided factual evidence to base my opinions on. So I cannot conceive that they could have been objectionable in any way.
    That is why I am reposting them (one here, one below about Emperor Hirohito´s boycott of Yasukuni). If they should not be acceptable, it would obviously be quite easy to delete them again. But in this case I would really like to be informed about the reason. If I know what the problem is I might be able to avoid in the future whatever should be unacceptable.

    O.k., so here we go, I have posted the following about three days ago:

    Mr Westlake, I am sure you are trying to be fair, and it is admittedly difficult to be obliged to helplessly watch the escalation of this conflict, being fully aware that nothing good can come of it. I also share your overall impression that in this conflict there is nobody completely innocent. Still, I think it is indispensable to take a close look at the details – as tedious as that may be.

    The issue is not so much about who apologizes to whom for what but which opinions are socially accepted in Japan TODAY and which not. Just for example, during the ongoing expert hearings about the possible amendment of the Imperial Household Law, the government invited, among others, Yoshiko Sakurai to give her opinion. Ms. Yoshiko Sakurai is a well-known journalist who maintains that the Nanjing massacre has never taken place and that the so-called “comfort women” were “not taken by force”. She was one of those persons (among them several Diet members) who in 2007 put their signature to a full-page advertisement in the Washington Post, in which it was argued that the use of comfort women was “anything but the truth”.

    It would not happen in Germany (for example) that any person who claims that the Holocaust never took place would be heard by the government as an expert on whatever issue. Much less that members of parliament would ever publicly declare the killing of millions of Jews to be “anything but the truth”. It simply would not happen. (Thank God.) In Japan it is happening. Revisionist opinions are maybe not shared by the majority in Japan but they are neither stigmatized. To the contrary, people who belong to the cultural and political elite are free to hold and openly promote them.

    To be quite clear, this is not about comparing the Holocaust to whatever. Of course, the Holocaust is unique, horribly unique. And, admittedly, war is always a cruel thing. Awful acts are committed on all sides. But, just for example, as horrible as the Allied bombing campaign over Japan was, there has never been any doubt that it TOOK PLACE. What would the Japanese say if the US suddenly claimed that the two atomic bombs dropped over Hiroshima and Nagasaki were but a collective hallucination of the Japanese and had never really existed?

    By all this, I am not meaning to say that South Korea is completely innocent in this matter. To blame the emperor, of all people, for having been hypocritical when he expressed his regrets over the past is extremely unfair. The emperor has always taken great pains to make it quite clear that he is very grieved about what Japan did during the war and before, and he has gone so far in this intention as to seriously annoy Japan´s right wingers who are traditionally the ultimate stronghold of the monarchy in Japan. Akihito clearly strives to be the symbol of a different Japan. Whoever pushes him back into the traditional position of a tenno who could be held responsible for Japan´s nationalism and colonialism and accuses him of being the core of an unrepentant Japan, is clearly not interested in promoting peace and reconciliation.

  • TT

    Japan must learn from Germany’s example in coming to term with its past. Don’t run away from it. With Japan ever weakening, the denial of Japan’s past puts Japan in a weak position against its neighbors that are becoming ever more powerful and seeking Japan’s blood in vengeance.

    Japan’s wholehearted apology is a must to protect Japan’s own future.

  • conpanbear

    Although many have apologized, many conservatives still deny involvement of the Japanese Imperial Army in the “comfort women” issue. You say “I wish Korea would stop calling for apologies if it feels those in the past haven’t been “sincere” enough”:
    “Shinzo Abe, the prime minister at the time, stated on March 1, 2007, that there was no evidence that the Japanese government had kept sex slaves, even though the Japanese government had already admitted the use of brothels in 1993. On March 27 the Japanese parliament issued an official apology.” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women#Apologies_and_compensation). After his initial denial there was a huge outcry and, due to the public pressure, they issued the official apology; it is situations such as these that inspires people to question the sincerity of such an apology.

    Textbook whitewashing occurred as recently as 2000 (The New History Textbook)(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_history_textbook_controversies). The Japanese schools were smart enough to shun it, yet just because it did not take hold, does not discount the fact that it was government-approved. That the former Education Minister Nariaki Nakayama agreed with the statement “victimised women in Asia should be proud of being comfort women” is embarrassing (this was only in 2007). Yet, it is a worse disgrace to to hide the truth.
    Humans make mistakes, some extremely terrible things can happen, particularly in times of war; this can be understood. Lying and pretending that you have never made a mistake, not taking responsibility for one’s actions; this is the bitter pill that is difficult to swallow.

    “The inability to view history as what it is: history”. Simply the fact that you are proposing that “it’s time for Japan and South Korea to move on from their history” seems to imply that it is time for this history to be swept under the rug, left in the past, and forgotten. “Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness… when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it”, from George Santayana’s “The Life of Reason”.

    Although you claim to not advocate that the history of Japan’s actions be swept under the rug, when you say, “I think South Korea should focus more on its current-day relationship with Japan”, it seems like you feel that this history between the two countries should be forgotten and not respected. I understand where you are coming from, that Japan and South Korea could be working toward a great relationship, but I don’t think that this can happen while not acknowledging the history between them.

    (As it is late at night, and I am emotionally tired and unable to sleep from all I have read about comfort women and Unit 731, I apologize if this is not very coherent and jumps around a bit.)

  • conpanbear

    This is an interesting read, for this author’s perspective on the attitudes and education of the Japanese people about these issues: http://japandailypress.com/japans-comfort-women-past-present-and-future-2510190

  • ptb

    I have to agree with you why do people dwell on the past? Why should people that were not even alive at that time apologize? Its the same as how African Americans who yell about slavery in past but they were not even alive at that time and the white people should apologize they say and they have several times and the white people who are alive right now why should they have to apologize they were not alive back then either. And the thing is I never meet any Japanese person who hates Korea or Korean things, every Japanese I know loves something from Korea and or has Korean friends, but then I see alot of Koreans that hate Japanese people, and they burn Japan`s flag and kill their national bird. I only noticed there are a few elderly people who protest Korean dramas but the number of Koreans who hate Japan is high and many young children and young adults hate Japan. Last night I had a dream about S.Korea that they are so full of hate. I woke up with my heart racing from that bad dream. And Japan has apologized several times, its never good enough for Koreans. If they apologize again Koreans will say it does not count. Basically they will die with hate in their hearts for Japan forever.

    • WTF

      you are obviously not black or korean or jewish. don’t ever speak on behalf of those races idiot.

  • butthurtmuch

    korea needs to just accept the apology made. Not saying the japanese were less wrong in what they did, but at this point korea is nitpicking every millimeter of japan actions. Yes korea deserves apology but no japan does not need to serve korea’s every whim. Its rediculous.

  • mawatts

    Long story short. He’s just a Japan defender.
    (Don’t waste your time in reading this article.)

  • The One

    The Japanese emperor seems like a decent guy and his apology was sincere. The problem is that some of the pscho rightists in high positions recant the apologies and that makes the Koreans think that Japan as a whole is screwing around with them. When the emperor graciously and piously went to pay respect to his Baekje ancestors, they denied relations of the ancient Korean empire and Yamato Japan. And there are some retarded Korean politicians, (*cough cough* Lee Myung Bak, I’m looking at you) who do the most stupidest things to piss the Japanese off. Seriously, if you want to be forever remembered as a hero of S. Korea, you have to : 1. Defeat all the Starcraft pros in the E-Sports tournament 2. Assassinate Kim Jung Eun 3. Assassinate Lee MyungBak

    So it’s all internal problems. Once Nippon is clear of frothing rightists in power and the apology is set in place for good, and Han-gook doesn’t elect another retard, the two brother countries can live in peace.